Obama birth certificate Jay McKinnon

==Note Added July 8 2008

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/2008/07/07/the_two_minute,_mspaint__obamahawaiian_birth_certificate.thtml

Polarik has shown what happens as one paints over lettering with different parts of the background. The result is that there are areas where the vertical bars bends in one direction or the other. There are other imperfections as well in the background. If one examines the Opendna Ahphorgerie, the same imperfections are obvious.

In addition, at least one MSM got the Obama email on June 12, 2008 in addition to Daily Kos.

tommy vietor obama birth certificate

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/13/obamas-birth-certificate/

It appears that the McKinnon image came from the Obama b.c. with the certification number blacked out and that that was sent by the Obama campaign.

Also note this:

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/06/obama_launches_4.html

The Jay McKinnon and Daily Kos account seems confirmed in these important points now.

The comment of Ray below seems confirmed now.

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Obama Birth Certificates with blacked out certificate number:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/12/11012/6168

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert

http://www.barackobama.com/images/fts/BO_birthcert.jpg

Ahphorgerie with no blacked out certificate number but with the seamless background in that area:

http://s100.photobucket.com/albums/m35/opendna/?action=view&current=HI_birthcert_corvo.jpg

Note the Corvo in the URL.

Jay McKinnon aka opendna claims in an interview on Saturday July 5, 2008 at Daily Kos that he started from the certificate with black out at Kos and with Microsoft Paint created the Ahphorgerie with no black out over the certificate number, which is blank. This in response to a question/comment posted by Corvo on the original Daily Kos thread on June 12, 2008. That Corvo comment was later removed by Daily Kos from that thread but is still visible on the Kos website in the comments listed to Corvo. Links to all that are below and work as of Monday morning July 7, 2008.

==From the Daily Kos July 5, 2008 Saturday Interview

Opendna: Why isn’t the background messed up?

Jay McKinnon: It’s a repeating pattern so I lined them up. I did the best I could with Microsoft Paint. Given all the effort put in, I would have thought someone would have figured that out by now.

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Original June 12, 2008 Daily Kos

Obama’s birth certificate

by kos

Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 08:44:37 AM PDT

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/12/11012/6168

Search opendna on above thread. The Ahphorgie is on it. Note the Corvo comment is gone from the above thread. Search for following, the image Ahphorgerie is above it still:

— “opendna is high and just makin’ shit up outta nowhere.” – greenskeeper

by opendna on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:35:46 PM PDT

==Ahphorgerie image made June 12, 2008 with Corvo embedded in the url

http://s100.photobucket.com/albums/m35/opendna/?action=view&current=HI_birthcert_corvo.jpg

==The lead in Corvo comment on the Kos June 12, 2008 thread was removed, but it was:

I’m sure that every forgery (8+ / 0-)

Recommended by:

Brooke In Seattle, Floja Roja, BlueInARedState, nowheredesign, Phil N DeBlanc, fayea, soms, paintitblue

includes a note that essentially says “Hey! I’m a forgery!”

by corvo on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 10:00:23 AM PDT

[ Parent ]

• lol (3+ / 0-)

  Recommended by:

  Floja Roja, Phil N DeBlanc, soms

  Me! | John McCain

  by nowheredesign on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 10:38:44 AM PDT

  [ Parent ]

But its still on the Kos site at:

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/6/12/11012/6168/384#c384

Its in the list of comments made by Corvo, which you can search:

http://www.dailykos.com/search?offset=60&old_count=30&string=corvo&type=comment_by&sortby=time&count=30&wayback=40320&wayfront=20160&next=Next+Page+%3E%3E

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So at this point, the Ahphorgerie image itself has Corvo embedded in it. The Kos site has removed the Corvo question on the June 12, 2008 thread that posted the Obama birth certificate and where opendna aka McKinnon posted the Ahphorgerie image. However, as of this morning, the Kos site still has up in the Corvo comments list the Corvo comment and the Ahphorgerie image after it in the opendna comment.

You can search

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/12/11012/6168

as indicated in the next few lines.

The Corvo comment on the original Kos thread June 12 was posted

by corvo on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 10:00:23 AM PDT

The Ahphorgerie image by opendna was posted after that and another intermediate comment on that original Kos thread and that image is still on the original Kos thread today, but without the Corvo comment or the comment in-between.

by opendna on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:27:12 PM PDT

The intermediate comment was

by nowheredesign on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 10:38:44 AM PDT

== The quote “opendna is high and just makin’ shit up outta nowhere.”

appears in every post by opendna. But it started long before June 12, 2008. Here is opendna using it in 2006:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/8/29/1745/82522

He uses it to his advantage (0+ / 0-)

and says stuff like “I’m an expert on terrorism. I’ve met the Taliban and know how they think.”

— “opendna is high and just makin’ shit up outta nowhere.” – greenskeeper

by opendna on Tue Aug 29, 2006 at 02:27:02 PM PDT

==Interview with McKinnon aka opendna at Kos on July 5 2008:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/5/15947/95667/125/547039

Opendna: When did you first hear about Barack Obama’s birth certificate?

Jay McKinnon: Around June 12th 2008.

Opendna: How did you first hear about it?

Jay McKinnon: As I recall, someone sent me an email containing two images. One of the Decosta birth certificate and the other from Fight The Smears. The subject line was ‘Birth Certificate Appears to be “Invalid.”‘.

Interpretation 1: This happened just as he says. In that case, the person who sent the email had the Decosta image already at that time.

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12959.htm

While that conclusion echoes and strengthens the calls of those who have been demanding that Obama provide paper proof, McKinnon undermines his own credibility from the get-go when he claims that he first encountered the Obama birth certificate issue “around June 12, 2008″ when “As I recall, someone sent me an email containing two images. One of the Decosta birth certificate and the other from Fight The Smears. The subject line was ‘Birth Certificate Appears to be “Invalid.”

The only trouble with that statement is that McKinnon had already created the blank Hawaii birth certificate template for John McCain and the “Aphorgerie” joke on June 12 before Fight the Smears had even published the birth certificate. Kos had published it that morning, about four hours earlier. Patricia DeCosta’s birth certificate surfaced in the blogosphere only a week later, on June 19. So how did he compare the documents? And why would he say it was the first he’d heard of the birth certificate controversy when he had already posted his own patently fake certificates.

A comment by Corvo as shown above sparked the “Aphorgerie” image.

To: Political Junkie Too

notice one of the cert files on opendna’s photobucket account has the word corvo in the file name…

well there is corvo on the dailykos

http://www.dailykos.com/user/corvo/comments

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2037934/posts?page=119

search:

McKinnon corvo obama birth certificate

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12956.htm

“Corvo”, a very frequent commenter on Daily Kos, had written at 10 am: I’m sure that every forgery includes a note that essentially says “Hey! I’m a forgery!”

At 01:27:12 PM PDT, some three hours later, under the subject “!!!” and without any further comment, OpenDNA posts a crop of his Haye I.B Ahphorgerie image.

In other word, in response to Corvo’s comment, McKinnon makes a visual “joke” — “Hey,” the document is saying: “I be a forgery!”

Remarkably, though, the Ahphorgerie crop appears seven minutes before opendna posts the “blank template” birth certificate image with the suggestion to “print one up” for Obama. So opendna was working on the image at that time.

Here we have opendna and corvo linked in the same web-address that has one of the b.c. images in question, the one now attributed to Jay McKinnon and admitted to by himself in the Kos interview.

http://s100.photobucket.com/albums/m35/opendna/?action=view&current=HI_birthcert_corvo.jpg

How did Jay Mckinnon/opendna acquire or produce an image of a Hawaii Certification of Live Birth of higher quality than any of those posted on Daily Kos? How did Jay Mckinnon/opendna produce a high quality forgery of a mostly blank certification of live birth only hours after the item was posted on Daily Kos? Where did these files come from? Who created them? Why is Daily Kos continuing to post opendna’s forged blank birth certificate on their thread?

And, speaking of Daily Kos, why did they pull a sub-thread on the original June 12, 2008 Birth Certificate thread. The sub-thread featured Jay Mckinnon/opendna’s “Haye I.B. Aphorgerie” Birth Certificate and a prolific Daily Kos poster and Diary host named corvo? In the thread, the poster known as corvo makes the statement about forged birth certificates:

“I’m sure that every forgery

includes a note that essentially says “Hey! I’m a forgery!””

by corvo on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 10:00:23 AM PDT

DailyKos Comments.

Jay Mckinnon/opendna responds with a copy of his “Haye I.B. Aphorgerie” Birth Certificate a few hours later :

[TD Note: opendna's image that appeared in this comment is on his Photobucket page here]

Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:27:12 PM PDT

Curiously, 8 minutes later, Jay Mckinnon/opendna supposedly posts a blank birth certificate saying:

“Why don’t you print one up for him? Here’s a blank template”:

[TD Note: opendna's image that appeared in this comment is on his Photobucket page here]

Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:35:46 PM PDT

The “Haye I.B. Aphorgerie” Birth Certificate sub thread subsequently was removed by Daily Kos.

But they failed to remove the evidence from their own archives. See post 555:

Kos Archives.

And, most curiously, they declined to remove opendna’s blank certificate which was posted only a few minutes after “Aphorgerie”.

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Opendna: Can you explain the Aphorgeri joke?

Jay McKinnon: The original inspiration was a comment saying “I’m sure that every forgery includes a note that essentially says “Hey! I’m a forgery!”" I offered up a digital manipulation in which the text from the name did not match the place or time of birth, the name literally read ‘Hey! I’m a forgery!’, and most of the text was blank. I don’t think it could not have more obviously been a fake, which was the joke. It didn’t occur to me that anyone would be so silly as to claim that it really was a forgery.

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From above and previously in the interview

Opendna: When did you first hear about Barack Obama’s birth certificate?

Jay McKinnon: Around June 12th 2008.

Opendna: How did you first hear about it?

Jay McKinnon: As I recall, someone sent me an email containing two images. One of the Decosta birth certificate and the other from Fight The Smears. The subject line was ‘Birth Certificate Appears to be “Invalid.”‘.

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McKinnon is here saying around June 12, but later in the interview he says he posted the images in response to the comment on the June 12 Kos thread, which were posted June 12. So he had to have done this June 12. According to McKinnon, he had the Decosta image on June 12. Moreover, McKinnon says that before making any image, he analyzed the DeCosta image and the Obama birth certificate image(s).

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Jay McKinnon: As I recall, someone sent me an email containing two images. One of the Decosta birth certificate and the other from Fight The Smears. The subject line was ‘Birth Certificate Appears to be “Invalid.”‘.

Opendna: What did you think?

Jay McKinnon: I thought two things. First, that it should be self-evident that a JPEG of a scanned official document cannot be valid. Second, that I was being asked to perform some kind of forensic analysis to compare the two digital images.

Opendna: What did you think about doing analysis on those images?

Jay McKinnon: I thought it was about the silliest thing I had been asked to do in… well… Ever. It was a kin comparing two photocopies of dollar bills to determine if one of them was counterfeit.

Opendna: Did you do it?

Jay McKinnon: Sure. I spent a few minutes comparing the JPEGs under magnification.

Opendna: What did you determine?

Jay McKinnon: From the images I examined, I concluded that the state of Hawaii has probably implemented a number of relatively sophisticated document security features. I concluded that they should be commended for the quality of their birth certificates and should be held up as the standard to which other states aspire or exceed.

I also concluded that I wasn’t interested in doing or saying anything more on the matter unless specifically asked. There are other people much more skilled at digital image forensics, and they would say more intelligent things about the JPEGs than I would (or so I thought).

==

So according to McKinnon, he received the DeCosta image and Obama b.c. image on June 12 in an email and was asked to analyze them. He then did that. Then later he copied the Obama b.c. image and then in Microsoft Paint he created the knock off joke image.

http://s100.photobucket.com/albums/m35/opendna/?action=view&current=HI_birthcert_corvo.jpg

Did the name Corvo come from the posted comment, i.e. he put in that name because he did the image in response to that comment? This would be consistent with the hypothesis that he started this work after the Corvo comment. But others have questioned that timing sequence.

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Interpretation 2: McKinnon already had the DeCosta image himself. This may have been sent to him in an email earlier by someone prior to the June 12 posting or McKinnon found it on the internet. This interpretation or hypothesis would go towards supporting the view that Daily Kos’s image was produced from something other than the Obama certificate.

Opendna: Why isn’t the background messed up?

Jay McKinnon: It’s a repeating pattern so I lined them up. I did the best I could with Microsoft Paint. Given all the effort put in, I would have thought someone would have figured that out by now.

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Its still a question that for the non-technical person such as myself seems strange. Why isn’t the background messed up?

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Obama took down an internal link, but left others up:

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/fight-the-smears-deletes-birth-certificate-response/

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I am not making any assertions or conclusions. I am posting this just to post my own lack of understanding and inability to follow the discussion. These are notes put out just to show my own state of confusion. I hope that others may be able to point out my mistakes or errors or where I am confused. No aspersions are cast on Jay McKinnon, Kos, or the Obama campaign.

==Questions that some might ask. Although these may seem like cross-examination of McKinnon’s story it just reflects my confusion.

When he says around June 12 at the start, he got the Decosta and OBC images and then says he analyzed them and then says he posted the knock-off images later that day after the Corvo comment, and the name Corvo is embedded in the web url of one of the knock-off images, why did he say around at the start of the interview? Doesn’t he have specific recollections of the whole thing on June 12? Was he saying around at the start of the interview, because he was going to say something false, and he wanted to use the word around to cover himself later for what he knew he was going to say that was false?

Isn’t the truth that no one sent him the DeCosta image on June 12?

Isn’t his claim that he analyzed the DeCosta image and Obama birth certificate images before posting his knock-off strange? He is trying to sound like he isn’t paying attention or isn’t sure, but then has a very specific recollection of comparing the DeCosta and Obama b.c. images on June 12 prior to his posting his knock-off. He claims to do this analysis first and then do the knock-off in response to the Corvo question on June 12. So he is claiming a very specific analysis comparison done first on the DeCosta image compared to the Obama image and he recollects doing this analysis before creating any knock-off image. In fact, he claims that he got this email with the two images and that is the first he heard of any of this and that he immediately did this analysis comparison and he recollects that with great precision as what he did and that he did this immediately after getting the email. Moreover, this had to be on June 12, since the Corvo question was on the same Kos June 12 thread and the knock off image with Corvo embedded in it was done on June 12 in a few minutes he claims.

In cross-examination, a lawyer or interviewer would then ask McKinnon:

Isn’t it all lies?

Didn’t you create the Obama birth certificate image posted by Daily Kos?

Didn’t you then use the original without any black out to create the image with Corvo in the URL?

Wasn’t it so easy because you had the original master image you were doing this with?

Didn’t you have the DeCosta image yourself prior to June 12 and you used that as part of your process of forgery?

Aren’t you painting pictures on the internet with multiple alias names?

Aren’t you Corvo?

Isn’t this a tissue of lies?

I don’t post these questions as asking them or stating them myself, simply that these are the Perry Mason finale type questions and are posted just to help me frame the confusions that are in my mind better and to remember them later after McKinnon and Obama show us the way to the truth in a way that I can grasp.

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Jay McKinnon: As I recall, someone sent me an email containing two images. One of the Decosta birth certificate and the other from Fight The Smears. The subject line was ‘Birth Certificate Appears to be “Invalid.”‘.

Wasn’t the image posted first at Kos and at Obama later in the day? Didn’t you get compare the Kos image to the DeCosta image?

Wasn’t this odd for someone to be sending you this comment about Birth Certificate Appears to be “Invalid” already?

Why did someone send this to you?

Who?

Do you have the email?

Can you post the email?

The following two articles I find useful to review at this point, even though there is overlap, i.e. reposting at Obambi, the different formats are useful to look at.

http://obambi.wordpress.com/2008/07/06/fakeobamabc/

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12956.htm

This is Part 4 of a series. Here’s where you can find Parts 1, 2, and 3.

Another expert who says the Obama birth certificate is fake:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-tech-expe.html

Polarik posts:

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/

One of the threads at No Quarter USA

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/30/birth-certificate-mystery-ongoing/

==skeptics that the Obama birth certificate is a fake:

http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5626

Jim Geraghty

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MjJmMTg5OGJkNGQ3YjNlZjE5MDM2NjFlY2NmMDYyYjE=

Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs, LGF:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30562_Obama_Birth_Certificate_Forgery_Myth_Destroyed

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Opendna: Why isn’t the background messed up?

Jay McKinnon: It’s a repeating pattern so I lined them up. I did the best I could with Microsoft Paint. Given all the effort put in, I would have thought someone would have figured that out by now.

Jay McKinnon aka opendna says in his interview that he went from the Obama Birth Certificate with the blacked out certificate number

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/12/11012/6168

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert

http://www.barackobama.com/images/fts/BO_birthcert.jpg

to the Ahphorgerie with no blacked out certificate number but with the seamless background in that area.

http://s100.photobucket.com/albums/m35/opendna/?action=view&current=HI_birthcert_corvo.jpg

Can anyone do that with any program? With Microsoft Paint?

If that can’t be done, then that indicates the Obama Birth Certificate at Kos and at Obama’s webpage are derivative, i.e. the blackout was placed on them starting from a master that the Ahphorgerie is also derived from?

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The above is speculation, hypotheses or opinion. No aspersion is cast on Jay McKinnon here or in any other comments or remarks. Restate all statements as questions. Comments and corrections welcome. This is draft and preliminary. All other disclaimers apply.