Archive for the 'Christian Genocide' Category

Young adults walk away from Diverstianity

November 24, 2010

Diverstianity Today reports on young adults leaving Christianity today.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2010/november/27.40.html

Leaders of liberal Christianity want Muslims except that they are too conservative. So they want parishioners they can hector for the sin of being White. Stop your sinning today they say each Sunday. Stop the sin of being White.

Reference, Google search.

“Your search – Diverstianity – did not match any documents. “

Of course, Google is of the Devil.

The core beliefs of Diversitianity:

Jesus came to preach genocide of the White Race.

Jesus came to take Europe from Christians and give it to Muslims

Jesus came to preach Somali Pirate Supremacy and the paying of ransom by Christians and Whites to non-Christians and non-Whites.

Jesus came to force amnesty, asylum, refugees, immigration, anchor baby, H-1b, HIV/AIDS, Hmong, Somali, desegregation, affirmative action, loss of civil rights, ethnopolitics, big city corruption, and the loss of all that is good in America, Europe, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, the countries targeted by Liberal Christianity for ethnic cleansing of the White population.

This is opposed to what Europe knew as Christianity

That the best of Greek thought and Christianity were complementary if not the same.

The White Race upholds the values of Christianity.

Christianity is in the blood/genes of Whites.

White Christians have the White Man’s Burden to rule over the planet as a good steward, not to abandon it to HIV/AIDS, corruption and indifference, and to feed those with medicine, IMF loans, and anti-White rhetoric.

Europeans have a duty to be fruitful and multiply because they embody in their blood/genes the true values of Christianity. This goes back to Christianity being unified with Greek Thought as part of the European Nascence of Greek thought and morality.

Genocide denying Turks demand Swiss citizenship

May 31, 2008

Swiss are right don’t give Turks and Muslims citizenship in your country. We are fighting a war for our lands. Turks don’t have a right to Switzerland. They ethnically cleansed Turkey of Europeans. Why don’t they accept Europeans? Turks have practiced genocide against Europeans in recent history. They still won’t admit it.

http://www.rawstory.com/comments/49798.html

The Swiss are poised to vote on whether to revive secret ballots to decide on citizenship – an issue that has stirred passions on both sides. Switzerland’s Supreme Court outlawed the secret ballots five years ago, ruling that they were discriminatory. But many Swiss say not allowing voters to have the final say violates Switzerland’s system of direct democracy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7427865.stm

Switzerland is not as safe as it was. There are real changes. Its not what it was.

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http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/03/06/news/swiss.php

GENEVA: A Turkish politician went on trial Tuesday in Switzerland for denying that the mass killings of Armenians by Ottoman Turks during World War I amounted to genocide.

Dogu Perincek, head of the Turkish Workers’ Party, called the Armenian genocide “an international lie” during a speech in the Swiss city of Lausanne in July 2005.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/03/09/news/turkey.php

LAUSANNE, Switzerland: A Swiss court found a Turkish politician guilty Friday of denying that mass killings of Armenians by Ottoman Turks in 1915 amounted to genocide, the first such conviction under Swiss law.

The politician, Dogu Perincek, head of the leftist-nationalist Turkish Workers’ Party, called the characterization of the killings as genocide “an international lie” during a speech in Lausanne in July 2005.

Perincek accused the judge of “racist hatred” toward Turkey and said he would appeal the verdict to the Swiss Supreme Court. He told Turkey’s government-run Anatolia press agency that, if necessary, he would take his case to the European Court of Human Rights.

The Turkish Foreign Ministry said in a statement that the court had ignored his freedom of expression. “It is not possible for the Turkish people to accept this decision,” it said.

It is a criminal offense in Turkey to use the word genocide to describe the killings, and nationalists there have reacted angrily to moves in several Western countries to recognize the 20th- century events as genocide. Turkey acknowledges that Armenians were killed in civil unrest during the tumultuous collapse of the Ottoman Empire but says it was not a planned campaign of genocide.

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http://www.rawstory.com/comments/49829.html

Swiss reject nationalist campaign against mass naturalizations

Staff
AP News

Jun 01, 2008 08:31 EST

Swiss voters have rejected a right-wing initiative aimed at making it harder for foreigners to gain citizenship.

Official results were released in 20 of Switzerland’s 26 cantons and only one approved the initiative.

Approval by a majority of cantons was required, along with a majority of votes cast.

A projection by the Swiss television network says 64 percent of the Swiss voted against the campaign.

The initiative launched by the nationalist Swiss People’s Party wanted to overturn a Supreme Court ruling and allow some Swiss communities to subject citizenship applications to a popular vote.

Comment at Rawstory

Voting to lose their votes forever. The MSM probably lied to the people.

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June 1st, 2008 at 16:21:56 From: WJM
Fallacy admirer
Dolt. It’s the “right” wing that has been taking away everyone’s rights for the last 28 years, at least in this country. The Swiss are at least not stupid enough to vote against their own self interests. You, on the other hand, clearly are.

Reply to this comment at Raw Story

There is no benefit to the Swiss from immigration. Even Arabs don’t put their money in a Swiss bank to have a Turk handle it. When an Arab calls his Swiss bank and hears a Turk answering, he doesn’t feel reassured.

PBS Armenian Genocide At Last

August 5, 2007

One of the ring leaders in the Muslim Turk genocide of the Christians was a Muslim Turkish doctor.

http://ermeni.org/english/vdadrian_harvard.htm

The two major perpetrators – the architects of the Armenian Genocide, Doctor Nazim and Doctor Sakir – in their consultations with their colleagues in the Central Committee, repeatedly declared in so many words that “Sultan Abdul Hamid did an unfinished job; we cannot be satisfied with partial results, therefore in order to be complete, drastic, and definitive about the destruction of the Armenians, we need criminals. We have to be merciless with women and children.”

search Nazim Sakir genocide

http://www.pbs.org/ombudsman/2006/03/coming_soon_to_viewers_like_you_the_armenian.html

http://www.pbs.org/ombudsman/2006/04/documenting_and_debating_a_genocide.html

Christian women were put into a harem, and those who were not “sufficiently submissive” were hung for the other women to see.

http://www.armenian-genocide.org/

We can only hope that this program will bring to the broader public’s attention the Turk Muslim genocide of Christians in the Ottoman Empire. This is part of a longer and continuous record of both Muslim and Turkish atrocities against Christians and Jews that started with Muhammad’s pogrom of Jews c. 623 A.D.

Previous posts at OA. These have links to references including New York Times accounts of the genocide while it happened during WWI.

http://oldatlanticlighthouse.wordpress.com/2006/12/03/turkey-christian-armenian-genocide-sources/

http://oldatlanticlighthouse.wordpress.com/2006/11/28/christians-and-jews-in-turkey-in-20th-century/

Andrew Bostom has written recently on the treatment of Jews by the Ottoman Empire from its founding to the 20th century.

http://www.andrewbostom.org/content/blogcategory/30/55/

Under Turkish Rule, Part II

By Andrew G. Bostom
FrontPageMagazine.com | 8/3/2007

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=3CA6CAE4-04C9-4AC6-BA1C-08B047719A1A

Under Turkish Rule, Part I Continued
Published: Friday, July 27, 2007

Search Condoleezza Rice Turkey

Rice supports Turkey in the EU. Even Nicholas Sarkozy realizes this is a mistake.

Search Nicholas Sarkozy Turkey

In testimony to Congress, one Turk said that to be a victim of genocide, the victim must be “totally innocent.” This is a Muslim concept. Any Christian who doesn’t submit to Islam is not innocent.

The Turk testifying said that it was only in Armenian areas that it happened. However, Constantinople was majority Christian at the start of WWI and genocides were reported in the New York Times during WWI as happening in Constantinople.

Why do the Turks deny the genocide? Because in Islam, Christians and Jews are not “totally innocent.” In Islam, Christians and Jews are at war with Islam and thus are never “totally innocent.”

Hrant Dink was killed in Istanbul in 2007 for telling the truth about the genocide. The person killing him said, “I shot the infidel.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/19/wturkey119.xml

search Hrant Dink “shot the infidel”

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2006/08/no_brakes_on_ge.php

One poster says Turkish children in school in Germany say

Turkish children taunt German children in schools, telling them that Germany will soon belong to Turks and Arabs because “You German pigs don’t have enough babies”. I have heard and read about this scenario time and time again.

Posted by kellye at 4:40 AM on August 19

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={F3F5C99B-338A-4BC1-A4B2-585EFE643619}

John Quincy Adams Knew Jihad

By Andrew G. Bostom
FrontPageMagazine.com | 9/29/2004

Adams on Jihad War, Dhimmitude, and the Muslim View of Non-Muslims; Examples of the Perfidy of Muslim States, Including the Ottoman Turkish State

“The last appeal of the Sultan to the fanaticism of his people, and to the protection of his prophet, has been vain. He told them, that since the happy time of their great prophet, the faithful Mussulmen had never taken into consideration the numbers of the infidels. He reminded them, too truly reminded them, how often they had put millions of Christians to the sword; how many states and provinces they had thus conquered, sword in hand.” 9 [p. 302]

“[More from the Ottoman Sultan’s pronouncement to his subjects]…‘all infidels are but one nation…This war must be considered purely a religious and national war. Let all the faithful, rich or poor, great or little, know, that to fight is a duty with us; let them then refrain from thinking of arrears, or of pay of any kind; far from such considerations, let us sacrifice our property and our persons; let us execute zealously the duties which the honor of Islamism imposes on us – let us unite our efforts, and labor, body and soul, for the support of religion, until the day of judgement. Mussulmen have no other means of working out salvation in this world and the next.’”

This was the Sultan in the early 19th century. At the end of the 19th century, another Sultan in the 1890′s ordered more genocide of the Christians. Then the Young Turks did it during WWI. The entire history of Islam and the Ottoman Empire is a history of atrocities against Christians, their oppression and ethnocide of the them by oppression. The only thing different during WWI was their impatience to get the job done.

They were at the Gates of Vienna in the 18th century. They have engaged in a systematic war of genocide and ethnocide against Europeans for over 700 years. They now covet the takeover of Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire

How they treat the Kurds today is how they intend to treat the Europeans when they get the upper hand? When have they ever acted differently? When have they admitted all they did from 1299 to present?

In their minds, Europeans are not “totally innocent.” This is the Muslim concept that Christians are at war with Islam by not submitting to Islam. The Turks know they stole their entire country by genocide and ethnocide.

Turkey is a crime against history and humanity. The population was majority Christian for centuries after the conquest. It took centuries of ethnocide and genocide to achieve the elimination of the Europeans. This was not a one-time crime. This was centuries of the same crime. Turkey is a genocide crime scene. That is what the country is. This is why they lied to Congress that it was only in the countryside and not in Constantinople that it happened.

Constantinople was majority Christian at the start of WWI. The atrocities there are reported in the New York Times, see the links below for links to scanned in NY Times articles and on population records showing the Christian majority in Constantinople.

http://oldatlanticlighthouse.wordpress.com/2006/12/03/turkey-christian-armenian-genocide-sources/

http://oldatlanticlighthouse.wordpress.com/2006/11/28/christians-and-jews-in-turkey-in-20th-century/

The Ottoman Empire had been Christian majority for centuries. It took centuries of ethnocide to change that. The same is true in all the lands that Muslims conquered from the first pogrom of Jews by Muhammad c. 623 A. D. in Medina. Every Muslim land is part of one giant genocide crime scene from c. 623 A.D. to now.

search PBS Armenian genocide site:jihadwatch.org

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/010391.php

Eurabia Update: “Anti-Semitic film cheered with cries of ‘Allah is great’: German authorities worried by audience reaction of Turkish movie goers to ‘Valley of the Wolves,’” from WND, with thanks to Jeffrey Imm:

The raucous reception by some members of Germany’s 2.5 million-strong Turkish community to “Valley of the Wolves,” a movie depicting crazed U.S. troops in Iraq massacring a wedding party and a Jewish doctor removing organs from prisoners, has German politicians worried – so worried, Bavaria’s interior minister sent intelligence service agents to theaters showing the film to “gauge” audience reaction and identify potential radicals.The $10 million dollar film, by Turkish director Serdan Akar, has already been wildly successful in Turkey, where its debut was attended by the wife of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. “It is an extraordinary film that will go down in history,” Turkish Parliament speaker Bulent Arinc, president of the Turkish National Assembly told the Anatolia press agency.

Turks Germany site:jihadwatch.org

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017224.php

“Germany: Our turn will come”
Europe is under siege. “Terrorism: Germany Expects Attacks Like Britain’s Says Top Police Official,” from AKI:

Berlin, 2 July (AKI) – Terrorist attacks similar to the failed attacks last week in British capital, London, and at Glasgow airport in Scotland, could occur in Germany, federal police chief Konrad Freiberger said on Monday. There are some 100 individuals living in Germany who may have “the intention and the capability” to carry out such attacks, Freiberger told the Passauer Neue Presse newspaper. He underscored the importance of strengthening security measures to thwart terror plots, the chances of which he said have increased since the German army’s participation in peacekeeping missions in Afghanistan.

Let’s see how tough Ms. Merkel really is.

Crossposted from The American Israeli Patriot.

Posted by Jay at July 3, 2007 8:55 AM

Hanoi Jane Fonda AA gun v. Jill Carroll Captive Photo

January 28, 2007

Jane Fonda Video v. Jill Carroll Video
Fonda video from North Vietnam compared to video released by terrorist group. Look at both. Leftists, Still think this is Vietnam?

We are in a war with radical Islam aka Islam. This is winner take all for planet earth. Jane Fonda knows that, that’s why she stayed in DC on the Mall with Americans, not with the Islamists who took Jill Carroll captive.


Jill Carroll Video selection


Jill Carroll Video Youtube

She has to say Americans will lose.


Jane Fonda video in Berkeley on Vietnam


Jane Fonda photo on NVA AA gun


Another Jane Fonda photo on NVA AA gun

Notice the difference between the Jill Carroll video and Jane Fonda in Hanoi. In Hanoi, Fonda speaks her own thoughts. Jill Carroll does not.

Jane Fonda DC Rally video selections


DC Peace Rally video Youtube Jane Fonda

Wonder why Jill Carroll wasn’t there? What would Jill Carroll say different than in the Video?

JC had to say America would lose in Iraq. JF chose to say it. Listen to JF at DC peace rally and Jill Carroll when she was “released” to Iraqis to make her video “of her own free will”, with Islamic headcovering.

Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2007 04:19 PM

Jane Fonda doesn’t have to wear headscarf
at DC Peace Rally. Why is that? Is it because we haven’t had enough Muslim immigration? Why didn’t Jane Fonda speak up for more of that? Why wasn’t Jane Fonda wearing prescribed clothing under Sharia for women?

Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2007 04:31 PM

Repeat a bit from above:

“How do we get the percentage of Christians in the US down to zero, or less?

By thrh | Jan 27, 2007 12:46:47 PM” from WaPo

Comments Page 1 at WaPo Thousands Protest Bush Policy


Christian Cleansing Chart at Timesonline

Christian Cleansing Chart data: Percentage of Christians: Turkey 1923 15 percent, Now 1 percent Syria 1920 33 percent, Now 10 percent Iraq 1970 5.8 percent, Now 2.65 percent Jerusalem 1922 53 percent, Now 2 percent Bethlehem 1948 85 percent, Now 12 percent.

Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2007 04:37 PM

“Jill Carroll” Iraqi interpreter killed

Funny, Jane Fonda’s interpreter didn’t seem to have that problem in Hanoi.

Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2007 04:44 PM


Jill Carroll Timeline

Saturday, Jan. 7

• Jill Carroll kidnapped in Baghdad. Interpreter Allan Enwiya is killed.

• The Christian Science Monitor requests a media blackout while recovery gets under way.

Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2007 04:50 PM


Discover the Networks page on Jane Fonda Vietnam


First Air Cavalry page on Jane Fonda


Written excerpts of Fonda on Radio Hanoi and
Congressional Hearings

Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2007 04:59 PM


Text of a Jane Fonda Radio Hanoi broadcast

quote

One thing that I have learned beyond a shadow of a doubt since I’ve been in this country is that Nixon will never be able to break the spirit of these people; he’ll never be able to turn Vietnam, north and south, into a neo-colony of the United States by bombing, by invading, by attacking in any way. One has only to go into the countryside and listen to the peasants describe the lives they led before the revolution to understand why every bomb that is dropped only strengthens their determination to resist.

end quote.

Jill Carroll had to say almost the same things on her video.


Jane Fonda antiwar timeline

Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2007 05:03 PM


Jane Fonda on AA gun, better photo

Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2007 05:06 PM


Jane Fonda apology in 1988 analysis at Front Page

Note when Jane Fonda was on AA gun she was wearing a helmet and smiling while goofing around. Jill Carroll was wearing an Islamic headscarf, never smiled, and was not goofing around.

16 years after her AA gun pose, Fonda apologized, but only for that pose, not for which side she chose. Can we let a billion Muslims have 16 years before she apologizes for what they do?

From 1972 to 1988, North Vietnam did not invade or infiltrate the United States, England, France, etc. There were no bombings in London, Madrid and New York. North Vietnam wasn’t even building a nuclear weapon, or submarines or missiles.

In 16 years, there may not be a West for Jane Fonda to apologize in, and she may be wearing an Islamic headscarf in accordance with Sharia law.

Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2007 05:14 PM


Jill Carroll Photo as captive from AP Jan 30 at Newsday

This photo is quite different from the Jane Fonda photo. It shows her fearful and on the verge of tears. Why didn’t people carry copies of this photo at the DC Rally?

Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2007 05:21 PM

Why didn’t rally protesters have a placard with Jill Carroll captive photo on one side and Jane Fonda AA gun on the other side? Why?

Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2007 05:27 PM

Why can’t we give a billion Muslims 16 years, because we already have. Pakistan has nukes, subs and missiles and is combining them. Iran is on the way.

Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2007 05:30 PM

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Comments at WaPo on anti-Bush Iraq Rally at Mall

quote He also said there are so many Iraq children, mothers, young babies killed—why—they did nothing to us. This madman in the white house has got to be held responsible for all this!!! By jrgeyer | Jan 28, 2007 10:58:23 AM end quote.

Its al Qaeda, Sunni and Shiite insurgents, and Islam that are responsible. Bush’s mistakes are the religion of peace speech, and not taking the war to three main enemy homelands, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan in 2002.

We should have mobilized after 9-11 and conquered all main enemy homelands within 18 months. That is what Bush should do now. Add 2 million to military and finish the job in 18 months.

Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2007 11:16 AM


Rawstory Comments on anti-Bush Iraq Surge rally at Mall

Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2007 11:18 AM

Comments Page 1 at WaPo Thousands Protest Bush Policy


Christian Cleansing Chart at Timesonline

Christian Cleansing Chart data: Percentage of Christians: Turkey 1923 15 percent, Now 1 percent Syria 1920 33 percent, Now 10 percent Iraq 1970 5.8 percent, Now 2.65 percent Jerusalem 1922 53 percent, Now 2 percent Bethlehem 1948 85 percent, Now 12 percent.

Data posted at comment line produced following response:

“How do we get the percentage of Christians in the US down to zero, or less?

By thrh | Jan 27, 2007 12:46:47 PM”

Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 28, 2007 11:22 AM

 

Oringally posted at Jihad Watch.

 

Bush warns failure in Iraq could widen conflict

 

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015005.php#comments

 

 

 

Iraqi Soldiers Clash With Insurgents

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/comments/display?contentID=AR2007012800373

 

http://www.rawstory.com/comments/26370.html

 

Turkey: Christian Armenian Genocide Sources

December 3, 2006

=== Jan Lahmeyer Netherlands===

Netherlands based estimate: Turkey Population year by year. Note data is massaged for earlier years. Approximately 13 million 1913. (2104,8 thousands plus 10982,1.)

New functioning links

http://www.populstat.info/Asia/turkeyg.htm 

http://www.populstat.info/Asia/turkeyc.htm 

http://www.populstat.info/Asia/turkeyt.htm 

http://www.populstat.info/Asia/turkeyop.htm 

(Download these to your hard drive today since they used

to be posted at links below which were taken down. You can’t know if these links will be working later.)

Old non-functioning Links

http://www.library.uu.nl/wesp/populstat/Asia/turkeyc.htm

http://www.library.uu.nl/wesp/populstat/Asia/turkeyop.htm

1910: Asia Minor 10.9 million

1910 Armenia and Kurdistan 2.5 million (2540,7 thousands). Note for Kurdistan he has a blank, so the 2.5 million may not include any for Kurdistan. It appears counting the non-Kurdistan subdivisions he has for this category one gets close to 2.5 million. So it appears Kurdistan is not part of this 2.5 million figure.
Sometimes counted households sometimes people. Author claims a household could have 10 people.

==US Consul Horton

Ottoman Statistics Anatolia pre-1915

http://www.agiasofia.com/horton/table.jpg

9.15 million total

5.596 million Muslim

You can select all, copy, and paste into MS Word or even a text file to get a more readable version.

http://www.agiasofia.com/horton/horton.html

http://www.agiasofia.com/

http://www.agiasofia.com/genocide/genocide.html

==Rummel

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP5.HTM

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.TAB5.1B.GIF

Anatolia Muslims 15 million 1914 from Ministry of Interior. The Minister of the Interior said in 1914 that Turkey was for the Turks only. This meant for the Muslims only.

Anatolia Greeks 1.6 to 1.8 million, several sources cited. The Ministry of the Interior was already behind genocide of the Christians since the 1890′s. Some of the sources indicate deliberate underestimating of Christians and overestimating of Muslims. That had been going on for over 50 years before 1914 according to at least one source.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.TAB5.1A.GIF

==Humprhys

http://humphrysfamilytree.com/Maltass/turkey.history.html#links

== Searches

Turkey population Anatolia 1910

Also use 1900, 1914, 1915,1923, 1927, etc.
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British reaction

History Ottoman Empire: http://www.agiasofia.com/english.php

Christians and Jews in Turkey in 20th Century

November 28, 2006

New York Times articles reported the Turkish genocide on November 12 1914 and January 11, and January 13, 1915. Pdf of NY Times articles.

From January 13, 1915 New York Times:

“Talaat Bey, the Minister of the Interior, has stated to the Councillor of the Greek Patriarchate that in Turkey henceforth there will be room only for Turks. While he was profuse in assurance to the Greek Minister regarding the cessation of anti- Greek persecutions, no real amelioration of the situation is perceptible.”

Now the Turkish government is “profuse in its assurances” to the EU, the Pope, and to those stout defenders of Americans and Christians, C. Rice and George Bush that they have stopped anti-Christian persecutions. This is because there are so few Christians to persecute, that it hardly counts compared to the numbers before?

New York Times coverage of September 11, 2001.

9-11 Report and articles

9-11 5 years later

NY Times 1914, 1915 repeat of above link

bin Laden’s 1996 Fatwa and Declaration of War on America.

“The latest and the greatest of these aggressions, incurred by the Muslims since the death of the Prophet (ALLAH’S BLESSING AND SALUTATIONS ON HIM) is the occupation of the land of the two Holy Places -the foundation of the house of Islam, the place of the revelation, the source of the message and the place of the noble Ka’ba, the Qiblah of all Muslims- by the armies of the American Crusaders and their allies.”

Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose.

Is this now true of France, Denmark, London, Dearborn, Washington, etc?

“…no real amelioration of the situation is perceptible.”

That is care of Bush, Blair, Rice, 9-11 Commission of Hamilton Kean, the Iraq Study Group of Baker Hamilton, Democrats, Republicans, MSM, profs, etc.

“…no real amelioration of the situation is perceptible.”

For Christians in Turkey from 1914 to the 2006 Pope Visit.

For the West after 9-11.

Population of Anatolia 1915 before Genocide Ottoman Official records

Muslims were 5.6 million, total population was 9.1 million. So 3.5 million were non-Muslim. So the genocides or suppression of Christians, Jews and others by the Muslims was really about getting rid of about 40 percent of the population.

Genocide is about getting rid of the people, if we can coin a Yogi Berraism. The Muslims wanted to get rid of 40 percent of the population. This was to take the land, houses, businesses, and money of the victims.

It was a delayed completion of the conquests in previous centuries.

According to the following source, the Muslims killed 3.5 to 4.3 million Christians between 1900 and 1923 in Turkey.

Statistics Of Turkey’s Democide Estimates, Calculations, And Sources” By R.J. Rummel.
Demographics of Turkey

Christian Genocide Minor Asia webpage

Reference on 1942 Tax Law

Unpleasant Genocide Arithmetic

If the population is stable and one group is given an advantage so that its net growth rate is higher than a second group, then the second group will go extinct.

Proof:

In equilibrium the average growth rate is zero. So if one group is above the other in growth rate, it must be above zero and the second group must be below zero. So the second group goes extinct.

Islam is about giving its members advantage over others. So over time Islam is genocide of non-Muslims. Islam was developed in 622 AD when times were hard. This was the Dark Ages. Some think a volcano was responsible for it, but it was a harsh time of scarcity. Islam was designed to give its members a leg up in that time of scarcity over non-Muslims. So Islam is a religion of genocide in population biology terms.

search Christians Turkey 1914

ISHR Christians in Turkey

Holy Land Foundation shut down after 9-11.

Comments at Jihadwatch.org

..

Second article quotations below. (first article is also interesting on confiscations of non Muslim foundations in Turkey. They still haven’t returned them as required by the EU.)

“September 5, 2005

WORLDWIDE TAX OVERVIEW
by Cathy Phillips, editor of Tax Notes International “

“On the morning of November 12, 1942, the citizens of Turkey woke up to the most draconian wealth tax ever envisaged. While the tax in theory applied to the entire predominantly Muslim nation, in practice much of its burden rested with the minority Christian and Jewish communities who primarily resided in Istanbul, formerly known as Constantinople. Neither the rate of taxation nor the taxable base and its derivation were made public.”

“Tax assessments were arrived at in secret, and individuals were directed to settle their government assessed liabilities within two weeks, without any appeal provisions in place. The penalty for Christians and Jews who failed to do so within a month was deportation to forced labor camps in eastern Turkey in addition to having their property confiscated. The tax was initially also extended to Christian and Jewish schools, as well as to churches and synagogues, but not to Muslim institutions, because they were owned or funded by the government.”

Formatting of tables is better in the original.

” Table 1: Statutory Tax Rates

Provision Applied to Applied to
Rate on wartime profit Muslim Turks Non-Muslims
12.5 percent 50.0 percent
Additional tax zero Up to 50 percent of personal wealth

Source: Faik Okte, The Tragedy of the Turkish Capital Tax.”

“In an otherwise officially secular state, taxpayers were classified as Muslim and non-Muslim, denoted with the letters M and G, respectively./2/ The latter included Jews and Christians, including Armenians and Greeks. Assyrian Orthodox Christians also fell in that class. An additional class of taxpayers were the Donme, denoted by D. The Donme were Jews whose ancestors had converted to Islam in the 17th century./3/ Like the Jews and Christians, the Donme were taxed at rates higher than those that applied to Muslims.”

“able 3: Tax Assessments of Minority Institutions

Christian and Jewish Institutions/*/ Number Assessment (TRL)
Schools 88 227,550
Churches and Synagogues 27 119,200
Hospitals 7 86,750

/*/ Zero assessment for Muslim institutions, which numbered in the thousands.

Source: Faik Okte, The Tragedy of the Turkish Capital Tax.”

“Table 4: Effective Tax Rates by Religious and Ethnic Affiliations

Merchants by Affiliation Tax Rates (percent)
Muslim 4.94
Greek Orthodox 156.00
Jewish 179.00
Christian Armenian 232.00

Source: C.L. Sulzberger, “Turkish Tax Kills Foreign Business,”
The New York Times, Sept. 11, 1943.”

Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 28, 2006 08:07 AM

Reference on above 1942 Tax Law


Population of Anatolia 1915 before Genocide Ottoman Official records

Muslims were 5.6 million, total population was 9.1 million. So 3.5 million were non-Muslim. So the genocides or suppression of Christians, Jews and others by the Muslims was really about getting rid of them.

It was a delayed completion of the conquests in previous centuries.
Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 28, 2006 08:36 AM..

New York Times coverage of September 11, 2001.

9-11 Report and articles

9-11 5 years later

NY Times 1914, 1915 repeat of above link

Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose.

bin Laden’s Fatwa compared to Talaat Bey in 1914 saying Turkey for Turks only.


bin Laden’s 1996 Fatwa and Delcaration of War against America.

“The latest and the greatest of these aggressions, incurred by the Muslims since the death of the Prophet (ALLAH’S BLESSING AND SALUTATIONS ON HIM) is the occupation of the land of the two Holy Places -the foundation of the house of Islam, the place of the revelation, the source of the message and the place of the noble Ka’ba, the Qiblah of all Muslims- by the armies of the American Crusaders and their allies.”

Repeat of

From January 13, 1915 New York Times:

“Talaat Bey, the Minister of the Interior, has stated to the Councillor of the Greek Patriarchate that in Turkey henceforth there will be room only for Turks. While he was profuse in assurance to the Greek Minister regarding the cessation of anti-Greek persecutions, no real amelioration of the situation is perceptible.”

Is this now true of France, Denmark, London, Dearborn, Washington, etc?

“…no real amelioration of the situation is perceptible.”

That is care of Bush, Blair, Rice, 9-11 Commission of Hamilton Kean, the Iraq Study Group of Baker Hamilton, Democrats, Republicans, MSM, profs, etc.

Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 28, 2006 10:22 AM

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With respect to my colleague Limes in this case, sometimes you can extrapolate. “Mathematical models might be useful five or ten years out, but don’t extrapolate decades into the future. The unsustainable never is.”


98 percent of Turkey is Muslim today


Ottoman Empire 40 percent Christian 1915

So the Christian population went from 40 percent in 1915 to less than 2 percent today.

So with respect to my colleague, what turned out to be unsustainable in Turkey was Christian life.

“On December 21, 1995, Bethlehem became one of the areas under the full control of the Palestinian Authority. It is capital of the Bethlehem district. The current population of the town is about 40,000. The Christian population is no longer the majority, but a special statute requires that the mayor and a majority of the municipal council must nevertheless be Christian.”

“Bethlehem’s former mayor, Hanna Nasser, says an estimated 2,000 Christians in Bethlehem have emigrated during the period of 2000 – 2003. Fifty years ago, Bethlehem was overwhelmingly Christian. Today, it has a Muslim majority.”


Bethlehem wiki
There is a need to understand the genocides and forced deportations against Christians and Jews in the entire Middle East in the 20th and 21s centuries.

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http://civoc.com/newsline/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=9

Posted by: Arnie [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 28, 2006 10:44 AM The above is from CNN and the gentle lady from Lebanon, a Chrisian, tells how Hezbollah is taking over. They have large families, drive out the Christians to take their lands for their families and then vote themselves in power. Terrorists are in the government of Lebanon, which was once Christian.

This is what happens. It is happening in America, England, Denmark, France, Germany , Norway, Russia, Spain, Sweden, etc.

This is happening to us now. We must stop immigration. Critics say, it hasn’t happened to us already. Then when it does, if they were here, they would say its too late to do anything. This is what they say about immigration, and nukes in North Korea, Pakistan and Iran. They will let Saudi Arabia and UAE get nukes. They let Russia and China get nukes and the left even gave them the secrets.

They invented Mutual Assured Destruction after the fact to make it sound logical. This was to cover up betrayal. The Ph.D.’s at RAND who made up MAD were covering up the espionage by Russia still going on.

The people justifying nukes for Pakistan, Iran and North Korea today are the same leftists anti-Westerners who covered up communist subversion in the 1940′s and 1950′s and let Russia get the bomb. They said it was ok, it was MAD. Russia will be 50 percent Muslim in 50 years or less.

When they use those nukes on us, will it have made sense to have let Russia get nukes in the 1940′s? The professors lied and betrayed us in the 1940′s just as they do today. Harvard, Princeton, University of Chicago, Berkeley, Stanford, Yale, etc. were covering up espionage then and are betraying us now.

The Christians in Turkey went from 40 percent in 1915 to 2 percent or less in 2006. This is what happens when we listen to the liars and West haters on the Left. We have to fight, not let our politicians, profs and MSM betray us. They can’t think beyond today’s headline. We must. We must act. We must tell them to stop immigration totally. We must denuke NoKo and Pakistan and stop it in Iran and Saudi Arabia. These are enemy homelands funding invasion of us by immigration.

This is real. This is what history is. Civilizations fall. Ethnic groups go extinct. You either face up to reality and do something about it or you disappear from the planet. That is what the Left has wanted since Marx.

We need to stop immigration, give our young adults economic security from no immigration and let them get married, have big families and stay married. That comes from job security. Job security comes from no immigration.

Immigration was started in Europe in the 1950′s. In the US in 1965. In both cases, it killed job security for the young. In both cases it brought the population rate below replacement We need to support young adults with job security and end every type of immigration. This includes H1B, family reunification, asylum, etc.

We need to stop the genocide of Christians in Lebanon and the Middle East and support them. We need to say that this genocide of Christians is what Islam is about from the beginning and is now. Islam was an ideology developed in 622 AD during the Dark Ages to justify taking Christian lands and subjugating them so that their population would decline over time.

Now Islam is on the march again, during a time of demographic stress created by their own birth rates. Their birth rates make their lands unlivable so they have to invade ours. We do nothing but allow it. The Left and the betrayers like McCain, Kennedy, Bush, etc. want this to happen to us. They lied during the 1965 Immigration Act and said it wouldn’t change anything. They lied then and lie now. They want our demographic democide. They work for it and lie to our faces.

Democide happened in Turkey. The Christians went from 40 percent in 1915 to under 2 percent in 2006. This is happening now in the US and Europe. Its reality. We must stop immigration now. This includes family reunification, lottery, waiting in line, etc.

Robert Spencer Jihad Watch: Pope Rage in Istanbul Comments

Limes and Malinois are right, if we respond. If we wait for the invisible hand to stop immigration completely, not just a token amount, then it will happen.

We have to be politically active. We have to persuade. We have to write to Congressman and Senators. It doesn’t happen by itself.

Once we project our exctinction, and anticipate it will happen if we don’t change, then we still have to act based on that expectation. If no change means we go extinct, and we don’t actually change it, then we do go extinct.

Immigration causes extinction of all the genes in a country, and on a rolling basis every annual cohort of immigrants.

See
Unpleasant Immigration Arithmetic


and more at this search on “Unpleasant Immigration Arithmetic”

We also have to denuke Pakistan and Iran, and support the Christians in Lebanon, Africa, etc.

Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 28, 2006 11:53 AM

“Unpleasant Immigration Arithmetic” is a mathematical theorem. If the assumption of sustained immigration is true, the consequence that genes go extinct follows. This applies to everyone here, and everyone who comes in any given year.

Each cohort of everyone here, including those newly arrived, has its genetic survival ratio asymptote to zero if immigration continues.

To avoid the consequences of the mathematical theorem, the assumption has to be completely avoided. Reducing immigration doesn’t avoid the assumption. Immigration has to be zero. Close doesn’t work. Its a theorem.

Limes and Malinois have said if we change things, the consequences won’t happen that will happen if we don’t change them. But we have to actually change immigration to zero, not just reduce it a lot.

Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 28, 2006 12:48 PM

 

 


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