Archive for April, 2007

Blair: Labour has transformed Britain By Graeme Wilson

April 27, 2007

“Tony Blair claimed today that Britain had been transformed beyond recognition by the Labour government as he prepares to mark his 10th anniversary in power next week.”

Lawrence Auster:

“The unspeakable decadence of Britain’s governing elites ”

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/007720.html

“Britain is dead, a collection”

http://amnation.com/vfr/#007708

“HOW THIS ONE GREAT LAND LOST ITS SOUL ” By Leo McKinstry

Immigration is the answer, and he and his commentors dare to say it.

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Democrats Debate: Surrender or Treason

April 26, 2007

The Surrender 8 were clearly mixed on which country they would surrender to first: Saudi Arabia, Iran or Pakistan.  Being Democrats they added two more, Mexico and China.

The first televised debate for Democrats seeking the presidency will be held on the evening of April 26, at South Carolina State University. Eight candidates will participate. Their names, followed by their showings in the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll taken April 20-23, are below:

Hillary Clinton 36%, Barack Obama 31%, John Edwards 20%, Joe Biden 3%, Bill Richardson 2%, Dennis Kucinich 1%, Chris Dodd 0%, Mike Gravel 0%.

from Richard Winger. 

For McCain, a Second Try at the White House By Michael D. Shear

April 25, 2007

“PORTSMOUTH, N.H., April 25 — Republican Sen. John McCain distanced himself from President Bush on a pair of key issues Wednesday as he launched his second campaign for the White House, calling on Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales to resign and offering fresh criticism of the administration’s…” By Michael D. Shear Washington Post Staff Writer

McCain lied us into immigration reform. Men’s median wages peaked in 1973, search p60-231.pdf see graph on page 18. Black and women’s wages are lower than men’s, so they are lower than men’s were in 1973. Shouldn’t we stop all legal immigration until black and women’s median wages equal those of all men in 1973? McCain says let blacks and women rot at below 1973 wages for men.

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Kennedy lied us into Immigration, Bush lied us into war

April 25, 2007

So which killed more Americans?  About 3,000 Americans were killed on 9-11 by 19 immigrants.  Those were Kennedy immigrants.  Here legally.

BUYING THE WAR by Bill Moyers Journal at PBS.

Since 1965, how many people have immigrants killed?

DUI Death in the Heartland 

Nicole Allen, 21, was killed when the car in which she was riding as a back-seat passenger was struck from behind by a Lincoln Town Car driven by Mexican Pedro Santos.”

Virginia Beach Teens Killed at Intersection

Below, Tessa Tranchant, 16, left, and Allison Kunhardt, 17, were killed late Friday.”

Alfredo Ramos, who was born in Mexico of Guatemalan parents, has been in the United States for about seven years.
[Suspect in crash that killed 2 had alcohol-related convictions, Hampton Roads Pilot 4/3/07]

Diversity Is Strength! It’s Also…Immigrant Mass Murder Syndrome” By Brenda Walker

Top Ten Reasons Why the US Should Not Marry Mexico”
By Brenda Walker

Plans to end weekly bin round hushed up By Martin Beckford

April 25, 2007

“Town halls have been instructed by Whitehall to hush up plans to introduce fortnightly bin collections ahead of local elections.”

Isn’t this work that immigrants are supposed to want to do? Sounds like collecting trash is work that neither Britons nor immigrants want to do. Its because immigrants cost so much, the government has no money now to pay them to work, it has to pay it out all for the children, their prisons, and to stop them from killing people before they do it, some of the time.

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John Derbyshire: Obligation to fight back and win

April 20, 2007

We have an obligation to fight back as individuals, even if we as individuals can’t win. We also have an obligation to not sacrifice ourselves in vain.

In “Spirit of Self-Defense” John Derbyshire says the victims should have fought back. In a Classroom WIth a Gunman [John Podhoretz] disagrees and does so in a disagreeable way to Derbyshire.

Those who wish to destroy us see us as weak. They attack us because they expect to win. Bin Laden saw as weak and unwilling to take casualties. We saw those as cases of not fighting in vain.

Which is which? Always fighting is irrational. We are taught not to fight those in power, by those in power. In the case of liberals, they call us bigots and racists to have power over us. We have an obligation to fight back every time we are called a bigot or racist or others do for standing up for our rights.

When Paul Begala called Virgil Goode a bigot and an idiot for fighting back against Begala for bringing in Muslim immigrants to kill us in 9-11, Bay Buchanan was silenced. This was done by Begala in front of her on Wolf Blitzer. Begala wanted to silence her because Begala called her brother Pat Buchanan a bigot in 1992 to get Clinton elected and get money, fame, and power for Begala. Begala didn’t want her to expose that after the 1993 WTC attack by a Muslim immigrant, Clinton and Begala did nothing to avoid admitting that Buchanan was right, we should stop immigration, legal immigration.

Liberals like Begala see us as weak. Begala was a bully towards Bay Buchanan on CNN. Moreover, it was intentional. We need to recognize that what is going on now in the wake of the Virginia Tech ethnic cleansing incident is the same bullying as went on after 9-11 and is still going on.

The 9-11 families were silenced as long as possible by this bullying. We are silenced on airplanes to accept being taken hijacked or killed rather than challenge the liberal faith in man, that all men are good, and you can’t tell by looking who is hostile to you.

This is the purpose of dry-runs on airplanes. To condition us to accept Muslim men acting badly and do nothing. We are being taught not to fight back as individuals or not to fight back as a society.

The Persian painting of women being hung by their tongues that Irshad Manji told us of is one that those in power always have in their mind. Begala saw in his mind the equivalent of Bay Buchanan hanging by her tongue on Wolf Blitzer’s show. If we are silenced, we will surely hang.

This is why Norman Podheretz is doing a Begala attack on John Derbyshire. This is part of ethnic cleansing, silence the victims. What we are seeing now is ethnic cleansing denial, just like after 9-11. 9-11 was ethnic cleansing by immigrant males to clear the way for immigration. That is what the Virginia Tech shootings were. We are being told to be silent by those responsible for the murders, the ones who wouldn’t stop immigration after the WTC 1993 attacks.

==Are we in a civil war and what is a civil war?

Do these attacks show that we were in a civil war already? The Latino gangs attacking blacks in LA is evidence of something very like a dictionary definition of civil war. Brentin Mock SPLC:

“This attitude is pretty pervasive throughout all the [Latino] gangs,” says Tim Brown, a Los Angeles County probation supervisor. “As long as [street] gangs are heavily influenced by the prison gangs, particularly the Mexican Mafia, racism is just part and parcel of why they come into being and why they continue to exist.”

Last fall, four members of the Avenues were convicted of federal charges for conspiring to deprive blacks of their civil rights in Highland Park. … But the problem is far more widespread than a single gang in a single neighborhood.

Random, racially motivated crimes have been committed across the 88 cities of Los Angeles County by the members of Latino gangs, including the Pomona 12 in the city of Pomona, the 18th Street Gang in southwest Los Angeles, the Toonerville gang in northeast L.A., and the Varrio Tortilla Flats in Compton. But with the Mexican Mafia’s shadow looming over Los Angeles, it may be a long time before the rapidly growing number of streets claimed by Latino gangs are safe for blacks, if ever.
“It’s not just Highland Park. It’s almost anywhere in L.A. that you could find yourself in a difficult position [as a black person],” says Lewis, the LAPD probation officer. “All blacks are on green light no matter where.” end quote SPLC

“All blacks are on green light no matter where.” Is that the definition of civil war? If its not, its something very close and just as bad to those being killed. Technical definitions of civil war have to avoid the definition where civilians are killed. Because that happens in many wars.

A broad naive definition of civil war is a war where civilians kill or are killed. However, governments don’t like this definition because it would implicate them, so in international law they have much more restrictive definitions, which end up making it a conflict between two or more quasi-governments.

Another definition, still naive, is that its where civilians kill civilians. Governments don’t like this definition, because they don’t want to really admit that people count in war. So the definitions drafted by government don’t count civilians killing civilians as civil war.

The definition of civil war at Wiki analyzes definitions made by governments in international law. These in effect say only governments fight wars and its against other governments, and anything governments do to people or that people do to people is not counted by governments as civil war.

Many of these definitions were made just after WWII, and the US didn’t want a definition of civil war that sounded like bombing civilians was included and the Soviets didn’t want their mass ethnic cleansing at their “here” and their “there” to be counted.

WWII involved partisans, exterminations, many forms of ethnic cleansing, etc. Distinguishing what happened in WWII from civil war is legal drafting. If one looks at the wiki article, one can see the tortured definitions they produce to avoid WWII being included as civil war.

If you define civil war in terms of acts from a bottom up point of view, then WWII would be included. Every bad act with every combination of civilian or military doer or recipient of harm or violence happened in WWII. To avoid WWII being a civil war, they say, in effect, if two or more separate governments are involved, it doesn’t matter what happens, its not civil war. But if you started from the bottom up, and said if any of the combinations of acts and actors happens then its a civil war, then WWII would qualify.

From a bottom up perspective, “All blacks are on green light no matter where” is civil war. From the perspective of the person on the streets: “Random, racially motivated crimes have been committed across the 88 cities of Los Angeles County by the members of Latino gangs” is civil war.

“But with the Mexican Mafia’s shadow looming over Los Angeles, it may be a long time before the rapidly growing number of streets claimed by Latino gangs are safe for blacks, if ever. …It’s not just Highland Park. It’s almost anywhere in L.A. that you could find yourself in a difficult position [as a black person],”

This sounds like the same as Baghdad. No go zones are a definition of civil war. Parts of cities reserved for one group sounds like one definition of civil war. Those entering the territory of another group are subject to death by anyone in that territory sounds like a bottom up definition of civil war. Even Sherman in his March to the Sea only destroyed property, he didn’t kill any person he found.

==Return to the Derbyshire Podhoretz etc. discussion
Podhoretz is a regular to apply lefist ways to silence everyone on immigration and just take it, and take the crime and violence and not talk back to Podhoretz or Bush. “The Inability to Stomach Disagreement” by Podhoretz. This is the neocon-left calling its victims intolerant, intolerant to the pain dished out to them by leftist immigration the people never wanted. “This inability to stomach disagreement on a hot-button issue should be troubling to anyone and everyone who has found an intellectual home on the Right” Sounds like his own intolerance to Derbyshire today on the Va Tech ethnic cleansing.

Search “John Podhoretz” immigration

JPod Weighs In On The Question Of Fighting Back…
[James Fulford]
Blaming the Victims … Because They’re Total Wussesby Ana Marie Cox is at Time. It is in fact, blaming the victims, us, we are the victims of Time’s immigration.

We are being ethnically cleansed by immigration. Just as Christians and Jews were ethnically cleansed under the Ottoman Empire and in Muslim states, we are being ethnically cleansed now. Just as Christians and Jews were made to be silent under Islam, so we are made to be silent under the Left. The attacks on Derbyshire are part of that. We do have an obligation to fight back against those who are responsible, those who are silencing us now, and who are to blame for the WTC 93 attack, the WTC and Pentagon 2001 attack, and this attack.

Its all those who call Lou Dobbs the nightly nativist and who attack Vdare or Jihad Watch or the rest. Its those who are speaking up. The PC Left wants to hang them by their tongues just like in the Persian painting of women being hung from their tongues.

The students might as well have been dressed in burkhas. The PC left are dressing us in burkhas now. The flying imams were doing that. We have to rip this medieval rag off, as Oriana Fallaci said to Khomeini’s face. Bay Buchanan was taken by surprise by Paul Begala when Begala called Virgil Goode a bigot and an idiot. We have to tell the PC Left to their face, they are responsible for 9-11, they are responsible for the Va Tech killings, and they are responsible for Latino gangs killing blacks in LA in ethnic cleansing. They are responsible and we are fighting back and talking back.

They can call us bigots all day, we aren’t being silenced while we are being killed. Its not the students the PC Left say must be silent while they are lined up and shot, its us. We were lined up to take it on the airplanes on 9-11. The passengers on one flight fought back, and the PC Left have created a Red Crescent of Embrace Memorial with stone for the hijackers.

We must fight back. We must not be lined up to be shot by the PC Left. Begala was lining us up to be shot by calling Virgil Goode a bigot and an idiot. We have to fight back by talking back. The Virginia Tech attack was ethnic cleansing by the Left. The gunman’s motives don’t matter, what matters are the motives of the left. That is why they must silence us. That is why they must silence John Derbyshire, Bay Buchanan, Pat Buchanan, Virgil Goode and all of us. If we want to live we have to stop letting Begala line us up to be shot and speak up.

Speak up for our lives, because we don’t have much time left. Right now:

John Derbyshire is on green light to the PC Left including leftists in neocon clothing.

All blacks in LA are on green light to Latino gangs.

All Muslim women are on green light to Muslim men.

All non-Muslims are on green light to all Muslims, here and there, in Muslim lands and our lands, in the House of Peace and the House of War.

All those who speak up about immigration are on green light to the PC Left.

All Americans are on green light to be killed in terrorism. Virginia Tech shootings were terrorism.

All those in the West are being ethnically cleansed by immigration. We are all on green light from the PC Left.

The Left put the students at Va Tech on green light to be shot by Ismail Ax. They created the climate of fear in the police to stop Ax. The left put us on green light after the WTC 1993 attack. Bush and Clinton both say we will die for sure from their immigrants, both now and in the future. When they say that, they are putting us on green light. That is what happened at Va Tech, we were on green light.

That is what they said at the Va Tech ceremony. They said we were on green light. All 4 faiths represented said that Americans were on green light and that God put us on green light. They said God put the students killed on Green Light. They said the Green Light to kill Americans comes from God.

Immigration as a sustained process mathematically implies the genetic extinction of every gene that comes here and every gene that is here at any point in time, see the Immigration Vanishing Survival Theorem. This is omnia cleansing, the cleansing of all. Its a form of suicide more than physical killing of others. The drop in fertility from 1820 to now during immigration periods shows this, see the U inverted U discussion. The establishment is blessing this mathematical omnia cleansing as coming from God or PC liberalism. But the result is the same. To fight back against this, we must stop all legal immigration including asylum and family reunification and not legalize the illegal immigrant.

If we go back to the definition of civil war and think in terms of agency and effects we can come up with a broader set of criteria for civil war. A process that results in the substantial cleansing of a substantial portion of the gene pool by the action of the society as a whole and its parts is a form of civil war. The mathematical implications of sustained immigration make this civil war in this sense. The drop in fertility through lower wages and greater job insecurity has already happened, just as the theorem says.

9-11 was taught in the playing fields of Islam.

April 20, 2007

Islam doesn’t just subjugate Muslm women.  By teaching Muslim men to subjugate women, it teaches Muslim men to subjugate everyone. They can’t take being talked back to.

That is why the Persians had the painting of women being hung by their tongues. (This was on Irshad Manji’s program in the PBS America at a Crossroads series.)  Islam teaches spouse abuse, child abuse, and abuse of the powerless.  By teaching abuse of women by men as their right and duty, Islam teaches men to be offended and to punish those who offend them.

Ban Guns, Ban Males, Don’t Ban Immigration?

April 20, 2007

Liberal: men are a more powerful group than immigrants, so they have to be blamed.  Some person has to be blamed, and that can’t be immigrants, because they don’t have power.   Therefore men must be blamed.

There are now nutty incidents of men being arrested.

During a class discussion Tuesday of Monday’s massacre at Virginia Tech, Max Karson “made comments about understanding how someone could kill 32 people,” university police Cmdr. Brad Wiesley said.

When the US arrests someone, especially in a case like this, they have to be prosecuted to completion.  This is the Duke Lacrosse player case.  A headline grabbing prosecutor will push this?  They can’t admit the arrest was stupid in the first place?  Will Max Karson be a sacrificial lamb?

Looks like Ismail Ax died to empower the powerful, the opposite of his message. One reason such methods don’t work.

After 9-11, the result was to empower the powerful.  We didn’t stop immigration despite repeated attacks by Muslim hate groups.  We didn’t stop it beause of Saudi funding of radical networks and mosques inside the US.  We didn’t make Pakistan give up its nukes or Saudi Arabia separate religion and the state, and allow religious freedom and abolish religious police, courts and law.  Instead we set up Islamic Republics in Afghanistan and Iraq.

This article is opinion, hypotheses or speculation.  All other disclaimers apply.

PBS Crossroads “STRUGGLE FOR THE SOUL OF ISLAM: INSIDE INDONESIA”

April 19, 2007

Can Islam and Democracy Coexist?”
Oct 1, 2005 in Bali, Indonesia there was a terrorist attack at a resort that Australians like. 20 victims died and the 3 terrorists. The majority harmed were Indonesian. But the targe was foreigners.

In Egypt the oldest university in Islam has brought a lawsuit against a woman.

Indonesia a model of Islam as a tolerant and inclusive religion. But in recent years, Muslim militants have targeted it. (Aceh has relief money being used to whip women.)

Senatar Barack Hussein Obama spent part of his childhood in Indonesia. Part of it in Catholic school and part in another school for the elites there.

Suharto dictatorship from 1965 to 1998. Islamic radicals were suppressed. Muslim militants returned after Suharto.

Freedom was not only for good guys but also bad guys. (True in the West as well. Bad guys are running things right now including MSM.)

The 2002 Bali Bombings killed 202 people. Wiki ” 164 of whom were foreign nationals (including 88 Australians), and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 were injured.”

A conservative imam, Bashir, came back to Indonesia with Suharto gone.

AKARTA, May 16 (Reuters) – An Indonesian high court has upheld a two-and-a-half year sentence handed to Muslim cleric Abu Bakar Bashir for his role in the 2002 Bali blasts that killed 202 people, an official said on Monday.

Indonesia and the IMF.

Aceh site:jihadwatch.org

Arabic Islam and Indonesian contrasted. Women are not veiled in Indonesian Islam. But we see photos of women with headscarves.

Islamic militants are shown.

Islam spread to Indonesia through trade and not by conquest, unlike other cases. In other cases, Islam spread by the sword.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jemaah_Islamiyah

Cross dressing contest. Militants want to wipe them out now. The FPI, a radical Muslim group, storms places they consider against Islam.

FPI want laws of Islam to be the laws of the state.

One sect believes Muhammad was not the last prophet. Militants attack them and the government allows it.

Local law is based on Islamic Law in many cases. In a town of over 1 million people, the mayor decreed that students must wear Islamic clothing on Friday and pray in traditional fashion. Other laws are being imposed as well.

A waitress was arrested for being a prostitute. All women alone were arrested and tried together the next day. She had lipstick in her purse. She was fined 3000 rupiah. If she didn’t pay she had to go to the pen for 3 days.

Indonesia site:jihadwatch.org

No kissing allowed in public.

Anti-pornography bill is being redrafted.

“Convergence of democracy and Islamic Principles.”

says a moderate woman and leader.

Militant says no. Democracy is man. Islam is God.

Bashir wants global caliphate. Another movement wants an Islamic state in Indonesia.

One guy at one point said bin Laden asked them for money.

If Islam is defeated or erased, then the world will end, its as simple as that.

Amien Rais is a moderate and former speaker of the House of Represenatives (right name??).

2002 First Bali bombing.

August 2003, Marriot Hotel bombed in downtown Jakarta.

2004 Australia embassy bombed.

Oct 2005, the 2nd Bali Bombing.

US policies are pushing moderates to radicalism and radicals to terrorism, according to some. Sidney Jones says this happened.

Attack on US embassy on Jakarta.

(How moderate are they? Did we give up our freedom when Hitler marched?)

(What they need in Indonesia is immigration from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, refugees from Iraq, immigrants from Turkey, etc. This is what they need. Then they would have the moderate Arab Persian Pakistani Turkish Muslims to stand up against these radical groups and teach them the true moderate Islam that is in Mecca, Pakistan, London, Southern Manhattan, Detroit, Arlington Virginia, etc.)

=

Robert MacNeil last word.  Democracy is what people want, but in Islam God holds the power.  This is what the militant said.

Muslims want to overthrow “moderates” in Saudi Arabia and Egypt.  But in meantime are in struggle against America.  Iraq is violence against Muslims.

Modern jihad movement began in Cairo, with Qutb and Muslim Brotherhood.

Re Irshad Manji America at a Crossroads Faith without Fear

April 19, 2007

Irshad Manji calls on her fellow Muslims to reform” at PBS America at a Crossroads.

Robert MacNeil tells us Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Irshad Manji are two young women speaking out. Ali is now in DC where she came after leaving the Netherlands, where there were death threats against her. Ali became an atheist in 2002 in the Netherlands, and before that was a Muslim.
Irshad Manji has bullet proof glass on the windows and a lock on the mailbox to prevent letter bombs she tells us at the start. Manji gets threats by email.

Salmon Rushdie was subject to a fatwa from Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran. Rushdie says if you live in a free society, then use it. The point of living in a free society he says is to use it. So if you live in one of the few ones on earth, then use the freedom.

This is a good point for those afraid to speak out against immigration, legal immigration.

Manji goes to Saudi Arabia and interviews a former body guard of Osama bin Laden. Jihadists claim the Prophet Muhammad as their role model. Manji says he opposed slavery.

For the jihadi she interviews, the modern age is in the state of the 7th century before Muhammad. (OA Note: This was paganism in Arabia and Judaism and Christianity in Palestine and in the Western Superpower, the Eastern Roman Empire.)

In 7th century she tells us, the pagan establishment humiliated Muslims. The jihadi thinks that today this is the West and America in particular.

“Would you be proud to have Habib die as a martyr?” Manji asks him. He says he would be proud for him to be a martyr so that he can intercede with God for his family, if his father is not a martyr.

A class of women all in black with only their eyes showing. This is in Yemen. Manji does not wear a veil in the class, although the other women do.

Manji interviews a woman from California who converted to Islam in college and married a Yemeni. The California woman shows us her face and hands. But she has the black garment all around her head and body otherwise.

Manji puts on the black garment that covers all but her eyes. Manji says she is breathing in her own stale air at this point. Manji says the burkha erases her individuality.

Manji shows women mistreated in art in 15th century Persia and the same in photos in modern Iran including stoning for adultery in modern Iran.

A woman in Yemen doesn’t wear the burqa, but instead just a scarf on her head. Manji walks along wearing Western clothes next to her.

Manji says to many Muslims causing division is a sin. Manji grew up as a dutiful Islamic daughter who attended Islamic school. As a teenager, Manji was expelled from her school by asking why the human rights abuses by Muslims against humans. your last chance. Manji says those sending the death threats are cowards, for being anonymous.

One email to her says thay you lie so much about Islam that even your hair rises up in protest. Irshad Manji talks about the emails and death threats with her mom. Her mother is worried about them, naturally.

A Muslim woman meets with her on the street and says negative things to Irshad Manji. “Devil in disguise.” Yes, ok so what. The woman had a Western accent as well, sort of Scandinavian.

Manji talks about the Danish Cartoons and shows the protests. Manji says the demonstrators are a minority but capture the majority’s feelings, deep offense. Manji says the US media self censorship of the Cartoons is treating all Muslims as children.

Accommodation, she says, is giving in to the bullies of Islam and is giving up the freedoms of the West. Manji says that is offensive.

Mani goes to Amsterdam. Many Muslims feel lost. Schizophrenia is 10 times the national average among Moroccan men in the Netherlands. Muslims came 40 years ago to the Netherlands as cheap labor. They are 13 percent of the population in Amsterdam. Some are pushing non-Muslims to conform to Islamic norms. Muslims won’t deliver a paper with the Quran on the cover.

Manji talks to Ali while she was still in the Netherlands. Ali is from Somalia. She leaves Islam while sipping a glass of wine.

Theo van Gogh and Ali team up to make a film about how Islam leads to women being beaten. The violence against women is shown with their beaten bodies and verses of the Quran on their beaten bodies. This shows that the Quran is ordering this beating.

Van Gogh is killed by a Muslim. Muhammad is the name of his killer. A death threat for Ali is also delivered on the body of van Gogh.

A Muslim in Netherlands says you don’t have the freedom to say what you want. The young man says van Gogh was discriminating against the Muslims and had to be punished. Manji points out that the young man is saying that feeling offended is the same as being discriminated against. (PC Leftism is taught in the Netherlands.)

A female Muslim student at Yale says the Quran must be supreme.

An imam says Quran is Islam, Prophet Muhammad is Islam, but that Manji has no right to say what Islam is. The man says don’t challenge or question the teachings of Islam. He says she is taught to respect Islam.

Manji goes to Al-Andalus, southern Spain. The golden age of Islam was when ijtihad was open. Averroes argued against taking the Quran literally. She says Muslims had running water at the time. She says this was a golden age when Islam could be interpreted freely and also when Muslims were creative in science, math, etc.

It was Muslims who destroyed the Golden Age of Islam by sacking Muslim cities, i.e. fundamentalists sacked liberal cities. To unify Muslims, the clergy unified the faith, and closed the gates of ijtihad in some places, and narrowed in others.

Manji says it isn’t debate that weakens the Ummah (or Umma) but the lack of it.

Manji goes to Madrid and talks about the bombings.

Manji says ijtihad may be the hope for Islam. One imam used ijtihad to issue a fatwa against bin Laden.

The imam says wants to recover the spirit of Al-Andalus where Christians, Jews and Muslims can live together. (The Buddhist at the Va Tech memorial for the victims of Ismail Ax might be left out? Atheists definitely are out?)

Manji’s mother made the hajj to Mecca in 1998. She takes her daughter to the mosque, but the men at the mosque don’t want the cameras to be near the mosque. Manji says they don’t allow debate, only obedience.

Her mom says, “What an insult, what an insult”. “My blood is boiling right now.”

Manji says the rules you are given (from Islam?) are from abuse of power by other human beings.

Manji says we can no longer live by 7th century tribal culture.  It distors Islam today.  Offense is to be expected in a diverse world, and so is debate. We have a tradition of debate, ijtihad.  With it more Muslims can speak out and bust out of tribal conformity. My fellow Muslims, I have faith, in our potential to change.

==End of her segment.

Robert MacNeil then gives a last word.  Manji wants an Islamic reformation. (Actually not?  Reformation was a return to fundamentalism and early texts. Manji doesn’t want that.)

MacNeil says we think that Muslims must move in our direction. But many of the billion Muslims don’t want to move in our direction and don’t want our emancipation of women.

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