Re: Catherine Johnson “Out on the streets, the kids are scared too”

April 10, 2007

Comments on “Out on the streets, the kids are scared too”
by Catherine Johnson Sunday April 8, 2007 The Observer

UK Guardian Comment is Free,,2052504,00.html

Comments on above:

==The following comments may have gotten me banned from Comment is Free at Guardian UK.  I am still awaiting clarification from Comment is Free on why I was banned.


We are scared to say the cause of this, immigration. We have to have the courage to say stop all immigration now. Some criticize the 15 sailors and marines. But we are afraid to say stop immigration from the relative safety of our homes, even while we send our children out to be in danger. What more cowardice is there than this?


quote “oldatlantic”, why would you pinpoint immigration as the cause of this problem? end quote mkddi April 8, 2007 5:33 AM Also others commented on economics and immigration.
Although this is about US statistics and data, you can do searches on UK income inequality and find some similar data.

In the US, statistics are widely available on income inequality and immigration. Search p60-231.pdf graph page 18 on shows that men’s median wages were higher in 1973 in the US than they are today. In the US income inequality is U shaped as a function of time. The top 1 percent got 20 percent of national income before the 1920’s restriction, 10 percent after up to 1965 legal immigration, and now are back to 20 percent. See the graph below:

Low wages for men destroys family.


“Numbers Drop for the Married With Children
Institution Becoming The Choice of the Educated, Affluent”

By Blaine Harden
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, March 4, 2007; Page A03

PORTLAND, Ore. — Punctuating a fundamental change in American family life, married couples with children now occupy fewer than one in every four households — a share that has been slashed in half since 1960 and is the lowest ever recorded by the census.

As marriage with children becomes an exception rather than the norm, social scientists say it is also becoming the self-selected province of the college-educated and the affluent.

“The culture is shifting, and marriage has almost become a luxury item, one that only the well educated and well paid are interested in,” said Isabel V. Sawhill, an expert on marriage and a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution.

Many demographers peg the rise of a class-based marriage gap to the erosion since 1970 of the broad-based economic prosperity that followed World War II.

end quote

Immigration has taken away stable families and safe communities. When young adults get good jobs, they can get married and have kids. When teens know they are about to get a good stable job and get married and have kids they don’t knife fight, they learn skills and pick their mate. But when teens see men of every age lose good jobs and get no good job, then teens go wild and fight and kill each other.

In the 1950’s, teens knew they were about to get good steady jobs with benefits, get married and have kids and a house and car. So they picked a mate and entered into adulthood. Now kids know that this is not their assured future, but only a chance. As the WaPo article shows, for most people its a dream not a certainty.



quote Of course the arrival of European colonists was hugely detrimental to the native population. end quote CautiousOptimist

April 8, 2007 3:22 AM

Why is it that its accepted to say this about European colonists but not about immigration today?

UK income inequality graph below:

“Income inequality still remains high by historical standards – the large increase which took place in the second half of the 1980s has not been reversed.”

“There has been an increase in wage inequality, and particularly an increase in the gap between wages for skilled and unskilled workers.”

“There has also been a decrease in the rate of male participation in the labour market, often in households where there is no other earner. There has also been increased female participation among those with working partners. This has lead to an increased polarisation between two-earner and zero-earner households, although in the late 1990s, there was some fall in the proportion of people in workless households.

This last paragraph may sound dull, but what it is saying is that there are 2 earner winner couples and 0 earner loser couples. The 0 earner loser couples then change the nature of the community for all. Immigration is what is causing us to have 0 earner loser couples. Those couples don’t stay married, they break up. That leaves single moms with teens who turn to knife fighting.

Immigration is all about lowering wages and bargaining power. That is why the top 1 percent of households push it despite the consequences. The only reason the top push for immigration is to break the middle class and working class. Its working. When teens knife fight, the top is winning.

unused gang warfare in LA Hispanics and blacks.

unused: If you don’t watch organized sports that frees up a huge
block of time to go to the library, bookstores, or search on the


quotes from jahula99 April 8, 2007 2:45 PM


If what you say is true and low wages for men destroys families, then surely this would apply to immgrant families too? But my experience has shown me that these families, whilst often surviving on the slenderest of incomes, are also the most closely bound and concerned with family traditions.
end quote

I will try to find info on these cases. Search on google:

Results 1 – 100 of about 10,700,000 for single mom UK .

evidently single moms are in the UK not just the US.

google search:

Mexican family values

Results 1 – 100 of about 617,000 for gang warfare Los Angeles.

gang warfare Los Angeles

“But the body count doesn’t end there. Earlier reports have observed the ethnic cleansing aspect of Mexican gang attacks against random blacks to drive them out of the area. According to LAPD statistics, from 1994 to 2005 there were nearly five times as many homicides, assaults and other violent crimes by Latinos against blacks as by blacks against Latinos in Harbor Gateway.”

Hispanics target blacks for ethnic cleansing in LA:

“In September 2001, Robert Hightower, a 19-year-old Pasadena high school senior, was shot to death after hugging his sister, whom he had been visiting. A 204th Street gang member shot him, according to court testimony, because he was upset that a black boxer had beaten a Latino in a prizefight.” LA Times

How a community imploded
L.A. long ignored Harbor Gateway. Now a Latino gang calls the shots.
By Sam Quinones, Times Staff Writer
March 4, 2007

You’re a curious person, OldAtlantic. Obviously, you have a lot of time on your hands to be able to maintain a prolific blog, and you also read extensively.

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If one cuts out half of TV sports watching, one has a lot of time. If you go to the library once a week, and a university library once a month for a few years, and search the internet you will get a great education. London had great coffee houses in the 17th and 18th century, called penny universities. Now the libraries are free. So is the internet.


Unfortunately, it seems as if you’re quite smart enough to bypass your own limited ideological filters and end up continually producing arguments that are neither cohesive or convincing; rather just reductive, repetitive and one-dimensional.

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S. 2611 was the 2006 US bill to legalize illegal immigrants and increase guest worker and legal immigration.

7 of the top 8 wealthiest Senators voted for S. 2611, amnesty, affirmative action, non-deportable crime, and a pathway for the top 1 percent of households to continue to enjoy 20 percent of each year’s income, compared to 10 percent before Kennedy’s 1965 Immigration Act. The only 1 of the top 8 who didn’t vote for S. 2611 didn’t vote, Jay Rockefeller. McCain is 7th and Kennedy 8th in wealth.

Rank Name Minimum Net Worth Maximum Net Worth

1 Herb Kohl (D-Wis) $219,098,029 to $234,549,004 Voted Yes S. 2611

2 John Kerry (D-Mass) $165,741,511 to $235,262,100

Voted Yes S. 2611

3 Jay Rockefeller (D-WVa) $78,150,023 to $101,579,003 Not Voting S. 2611

4 Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif) $43,343,464 to $98,660,021 Voted Yes S. 2611

5 Lincoln D. Chafee (R-RI) $41,153,105 to $64,096,019 Voted Yes S. 2611

6 Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ) $38,198,170 to $90,733,019 Voted Yes S. 2611

7 John McCain (R-Ariz) $25,071,142 to $38,043,014

Voted Yes S. 2611

8 Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass) $19,189,049 to $93,043,004 Voted Yes S. 2611


Unfortunately, it seems as if you’re quite smart enough to bypass your own limited ideological filters and end up continually producing arguments that are neither cohesive or convincing; rather just reductive, repetitive and one-dimensional.

end quote

These Senators are focused on their stock portfolios.

U shaped income inequality graph:

Unfortunately, it seems as if Senators are quite smart enough to bypass our own limited incomes and end up continually producing arguments that are neither cohesive or convincing; rather just reductive, repetitive and one-dimensional: Stocks go up when wages go down. Wages go down when immigration goes up. Simple unidimensional arguments that Senators can understand.



mkddi April 8, 2007 4:57 PM quote I found Sourpus’s quote interesting, and agree: I think the greedy, money machine that is capitalism has run its course and produced a society where it is hard for people, let alone teens, to sort between what’s meaningful and what’s stupid. end quote

Immigration is part of the capitalist system. Look at the 19th century in America. That was raw exploitive capitalism. Immigration was part of that and was intended to keep down wages.



April 8, 2007 3:40 PM

This is a fascinating debate that I am following with interest.

But what I want is STATISTICS.

If the argument concerns race, I want to see a breakdown of knife/gun/violent crime by race.

I want to see what percentage of the prison population is black, white, asian etc.

I search the web and it’s like hunting for a needle in a haystack to get these facts.

Until I see concrete statistics I find it hard to come to any conlusion.

Can anyone help?

end quote

If the statistics showed that immigrants and “minorities” had the same rate of doing crime, or of being victims of crime, then Blair, Brown, and Cameron would be shouting them out on a regular basis.


crime race statistics

A couple results:



HenryB61 April 8, 2007 7:57 PM good find and good analysis.


Racial murders: nearly half the victims are white

Home Office release official figures as police claim that political correctness is stifling the debate

Antony Barnett, investigations editor
Sunday October 22, 2006
The Observer

Nearly half of all victims of racially motivated murders in the last decade have been white, according to official figures released by the Home Office.

The data, released under Freedom of Information legislation, shows that between 1995 and 2004 there have been 58 murders where the police consider a racial element played a key part. Out of these, 24 have been where the murder victim was white.

The disclosure will add to the intense debate over multiculturalism in British society. The figures also overturn the assumption that almost all racial murders are committed against ethnic minority victims.

end quote.

Wonder who had that assumption?

Note that these are cases identified by the authorities as race related. The authorities may be under pressure not to identify mixed motive cases as having a race element, e.g. killed for gain and race, they may classify as just gain.

Human Rights Watch has a report on rape in prison in the US.

This goes into the racial element. This is graphic and people on the left also may find their assumption is violated. In fact, those on the left would be best to just type in the word bigot and move on.,,2052504,00.html


==Final Comment before UK Guardian deleted my posts==


April 9, 2007 4:37 PM

Sorry oldatlantic,

Very few of the thugs I’ve met up with in the darker areas of one major mid-Western city, or in the taxi queue after closing time, are “foreigners”.

They’re mostly white kids, although many – for some reason best known to themselves – are wannabe blacks.

end quote

See the two very good posts of

April 9, 2007 3:41 AM

and Part I before it. Sceptic Optimist has gone through the statistics documents and excerpted key bits, thus saving us work, and also providing valuable analysis we might have missed.

Ok if we put this all together, what do we have.

The Prison data shows a disproportionate number of Blacks making up the prison population, 13% v’s 2% of general population.

However if we now look at the socio-economic side of things
25% of the overall population can be classified as low income. Inner City London in particular is characterized by the fact that Blacks are 10 times more likely to live in the most disadvantaged areas. The data also shows that only 60% of Blacks are employed compared to 75% of Whites.

The economic reality that Blacks are much more likely to be raised in low-income households must then be taken in conjunction with the fact that Child poverty is on the increase and Black children are almost twice as likely as White children to be raised in single parent families.

In summary, Blacks are significantly more likely to be imprisoned then Whites, however this can be attributed purely to socio-economic factors.

Put simply if you are child from a poor broken home you are more likely to commit crime then if raised in a secure middle-class environment – not exactly rocket science

end quote

This would imply to stop all immigration until ” socio-economic factors.” equalize for blacks to whites.

“The data also shows that only 60% of Blacks are employed compared to 75% of Whites.” Conclusion: no immigration until blacks are employed at the same 75 percent rate as whites.

“Black children are almost twice as likely as White children to be raised in single parent families.” No immigration until black children are no more likely to be raised in single parent homes as whites.

“The Prison data shows a disproportionate number of Blacks making up the prison population, 13% v’s 2% of general population.” No immigration until blacks are no more likely to be part of the prison population as whites.

Why do some people think that stopping immigration until blacks achieve parity with whites is racism and bigotry? Why do those on the left say that keeping blacks down, out of work, in single parent families, afraid in dangerous communities and locked away in prison is good and those who want to stop immigration to achieve parity are bad?



2 Responses to “Re: Catherine Johnson “Out on the streets, the kids are scared too””

  1. mantra77 Says:

    If you go against your group interests while black you’re an uncle tom, if you do so while white you’re open-minded. If you express group interests while black you’re standing up for your people, if you do so while white you’re racist.

    “Liberals and respectable conservatives say there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.”

    “The Netherlands and Belgium are as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.”

    “Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.”

    “What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?”

    “How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?”

    “And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?”

    “But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.”

    “They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.”

    “Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.”

  2. DefenderofIslam Says:

    You where ban for two good reason telling the truth and being than racist.

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