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Blair Bush Dec 7, 2006 News Conference

December 7, 2006

Blair: “perverted view of Islam.” Who has that perverted view? Muhammed had those perverted views? Did the Caliphs who authorized the final version of the Koran? Then they had all other copies destroyed.

Was Muhammed the one who hijacked Islam? Was it the Caliphs? Was the attack of Islam on the Eastern Roman Empire in 633 AD a perversion of Islam?

The Koran was written down after 633 A.D. under the authority of the Caliph. Didn’t the Caliphate authorized version of the Koran justify everything the Caliphate had done, was doing and wanted to do?

So the Koran was written at the height of the age of perversion of Islam? The Koran was written in final form by the hijackers? They were occupying Damascus, Jerusalem, and so on at the time the Koran was finalized in written form.

Wasn’t it the Eastern Roman Empire that was hijacked not Islam? The hostage takers wrote down the Koran in final form and destroyed all other copies. They did it during the hostage taking.

After taking cities like Damascus, they sold the Christians into slavery, after raping them. Their standard was 3 days of looting and raping followed by selling the Christians and Jews as slaves.

This was done before, during and after the writing of the Koran. The Koran was written under the authority of the Caliphate to justify this. So the Koran justifies this looting and raping of Christians and Jews. This was during the hijacking and hostage taking.

Piracy, slavery, hostage taking, ransom have been part of Islam’s relation to the West from 622 A.D. to the present time. That is standard Islam. That is the entire history of Islam from then to now. The hostage takers were in charge when the Koran was finalized in written form. They authorized the final version, the version that exists today. It justifies what they were doing then and had done and have done since then.

When did Islam change from the Caliphate? Which attack on the West was not part of Islam? Did the Caliphs hijack Islam from Muhammed? Then they had control of the final written version of the Koran after the hijacking?

So the Caliphs had the Koran in its final written form embed the hijacking? So the Koran is not the teachings of Muhammed, but of the hijackers, the Caliphs? The Koran says its it, the whole thing. So that was false?

The current version of the Koran is a false book, created by Caliphs who hijacked Islam? What they wrote about Muhammed in the Koran, hadith, etc. is fabricated to justify their attack on the West?

–Bush: The New Course.

Stay the course. Change the course. Stay the new course.

This was always the course. We knew this from the beginning. The course never changed. Stay the course.

–Blair releasing money to Palestinians.

Hamas and Fatah are becoming more extreme not less?

This article represents hypotheses, speculation or opinion. Any part of it that gives offense to any person or faith should be considered restated or reinterpreted to avoid that offense. All other disclaimers apply.


Baker Hamilton Iraq Study Group: The Goal Thing

December 7, 2006

The Baker Hamilton Iraq Study Group Report states the goal as:

Paragraph #150 (on page 57)

39 A s s e s s m e n t D. Achieving Our Goals We agree with the goal of U.S. policy in Iraq, as stated by the President: an Iraq that can “govern itself, sustain itself, and defend itself.” In our view, this definition entails an Iraq with a broadly representative government that maintains its territorial integrity, is at peace with its neighbors, denies terrorism a sanctuary, and doesn’t brutalize its own people. Given the current situation in Iraq, achieving this goal will require much time and will depend primarily on the actions of the Iraqi people.

Vivisimo Clustering: Goal

an Iraq that can “govern itself, sustain itself, and defend itself.”

This is not a goal for us. Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Russia and China all satisfy that goal, but they all act at times against us.

Let’s try substituting the word Islam for Iraq:

an Islam that can “govern itself, sustain itself, and defend itself.”

an Islamic Republic that can “govern itself, sustain itself, and defend itself.”

Consider this different goal:

A Secular Republic that abolishes religious law and courts and gives equal rights to Christian, secular and other minorities, that does not export violence, does not threaten its neighbors, and that does not possess or seek weapons of mass destruction.

This goal has already failed because Iraq is an Islamic Republic. Why should American soldiers die in Iraq and Afghanistan to uphold the decisions of Islamic courts and judges? Why did U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Dr. Zalmay Khalilzad agree to Islamic Republics in both places?

We didn’t agree to a Fascist Republic in Germany? We fought in Japan to change the role of the emperor because we thought it would make a wasted sacrifice of the lives of our soldiers not to. Why didn’t that apply in Iraq and Afganistan?

How about, America:

an America that can “govern itself, sustain itself, and defend itself.”

a West that can “govern itself, sustain itself, and defend itself.”

What would defending America or the West mean? It would mean no nukes for Iran. It would mean no immigration into the West.

How about this modified goal:

A region of Secular Republics or Kingdoms that abolishes religious law and courts and gives equal rights to Christian, secular and other minorities, that does not export violence, does not threaten its neighbors, and that does not possess or seek weapons of mass destruction.

Search on goals

Paragraph #19 (on page 15)

The United States cannot achieve its goals in the Middle East unless it deals directly with the Arab-Israeli conflict and regional instability. There must be a renewed and sustained commitment by the United States to a comprehensive ArabIsraeli peace on all fronts: Lebanon, Syria, and President Bush’s June 2002 commitment to a two-state solution for Israel and Palestine. This commitment must include direct talks with, by, and between Israel, Lebanon, Palestinians (those who accept Israel’s right to exist), and Syria.

Everyone is entitled to their view of the root cause of conflict. Is Israel really the problem (see Ralph Peters on this)?

The Ottoman Empire was engaged in genocide of Christians from the 1890’s onwards. They still discriminate against them. This has gone on continually from the 1890’s to now.

This was not because of Israel. The genocide of Christians by the Ottoman Empire was not caused by Israel. So even in the 20th century, the attack on Christians by the Caliphate predates Israel. The genocide of Christians by the Caliphate can’t be traced to Israel, and neither can the Muslim immigration into the West that has made it its goal to establish Sharia law in Europe and America.

It seems they know their goal. Their goal is to use immigration, Dhimmi PC, Marxist self hate, apology, etc. to infiltrate and take over our lands. Their aim, as stated from the beginning clearly, is a world under Islamic law and rule. The Baker Hamilton study group clearly either never studied this, or rejects it.

Is Islam at war with the West? It says it is. Its history shows it has been continually from 622 AD to the present. Islam has never been at peace with the non-Muslim world, which it defines as the House of War. There has never a century without Muslim attacks, atrocity, piracy, discrimination or enslavement of non-Muslims.

How do we know that Islam is at war with the West? Because it says so. Its declared war in the name of Islam in every century from the 7th to the present. Bin Laden is only one in a long line of affirming and reaffirming this war of Islam on the West. They know their goal and have made it clear, our subjugation or death.

Search on goal

Paragraph #219 (on page 72)

4. The Wider Regional Context The United States will not be able to achieve its goals in the Middle East unless the United States deals directly with the Arab-Israeli conflict.


Why not Pakistan’s nuclear weapons? Why not Iran’s nuclear program? Why aren’t these the wider regional context? They are missing from the section titled, “The Wider Regional Context”.

They rejected more troops, because they were not available in their view.

Paragraph #298 (on page 91)

Because of the importance of Iraq to our regional security goals and to our ongoing fight against al Qaeda, we considered proposals to make a substantial increase (100,000 to 200,000) in the number of U.S. troops in Iraq. We rejected this course because we do not believe that the needed levels are available for a sustained deployment. Further, adding more American troops could conceivably worsen those aspects of the security problem that are fed by the view that the U.S. presence is intended to be a long-term “occupation.” We could, however, support a short-term redeployment or surge of American combat forces to stabilize Baghdad, or to speed up the training and equipping mission, if the U.S. commander in Iraq determines that such steps would be effective.

Modified version:

Because of the importance of Nucleaer Weapons to blowing us up and to our regional security goals and to our ongoing fight against al Qaeda, we considered proposals to denuke Iran and Pakistan. This might include a substantial increase (100,000 to 200,000) in the number of U.S. troops in Iraq, Iran, or Pakistan. We rejected this course because we weren’t asked to think about it and we do not believe that the needed levels are available for a sustained deployment.

Cluster/search on regional

The Iraq Study Group Report recommends limiting aid to Iraq if they don’t meet timelines. Why not limit Baker Botts fees from pipeline deals or defending Saudi Arabia? If Saudi support of insurgents in Iraq or Afghanistan doesn’t stop within 6 months, Baker Botts can’t take any more fees from Saudi Arabia. If Pakistan doesn’t stop supporting the Taliban or give up bin Laden within 6 months, Baker Botts can’t take any more pipeline deal fees.

This article represents hypotheses, speculation or opinion. All other disclaimers apply.


Baker Hamilton Iraq Study Group Fallacies

December 6, 2006

The Baker Hamilton Iraq Study Group has based their analysis on a number of fallacies. Some of these were in the Gingrich article at Front Page Mag.

Fallacy: Iraq can be analysed by itself

Iraq is a war by itself, not part of a regional war.

Fallacy: Iran and Syria part of the solution.

Baker Hamilton treat enemy countries, Iran and Syria as part of the solution, not part of the war.

This is like invading France in 1944 at Normandy and asking Germany to help end the insurgency.

Fallacy: Ignoring Islam

Islam is the problem. Baker Hamilton ignore this.

Mistake: Maliki is a friend.

al Maliki is an enemy, as is the government of Iraq.

Fallacy: Islamic Republic can be pro-Western
Islamic Republics are anti-American. By creating Islamic Republics in Iraq and Afghanistan we created enemies. We are dying to strengthen enemies.

Iraq Army could turn on us?

The Iraq army if it gets strong enough will stab us in the back. The fallacy is to spend our resources to make a hostile army stronger in the name of stability.

Stable Iraq can build nukes?

A stable Iraq can be a more effective enemy. They already are an enemy, except for the Kurds.

Don’t help Christians and Kurds.

This is a standard Jim Baker mistake. Baker betrayed the Christians in Lebanon to Syria during the Iraq war.

Leaving embeds in a hosilte army?

We can’t leave embeds in an enemy army, a fallacious conclusion of the Baker Hamilton Iraq Study Group.

Golan Heights Giveaway?

Israel is an ally. They propose giving the Golan Heights back to Syria. Syria is an enemy country. This is like giving France back to Germany in 1944.

When did giving back the Golan Heights become part of their mandate?

Fallacy: Israel is the problem.

Turkey started genocide of Christians in the 1890’s, before Israel was founded in 1947. Islam is the problem. Demographics are the problem. Their immigration here is the problem. Disloyalty and self-interest of our leaders is the problem. PC Leftist Marxist self-hate is the problem, especially when used by self-interested “leaders”.

Holding Ground v. Holding onto an Enemy?

Like Patton said, don’t hold ground, hold onto the enemy. The enemy right now is Iran. Hold on to them and finish them.

Invading Iran, they assume we won’t.

BH said if we withdraw, Iran and Syria will invade Iraq. Iran won’t invade Iraq if its busy being invaded by us.

Immigration to US brings in enemies?

We have to stop all immigration to the US. We can’t have people coming from enemy countries who believe in an enemy ideology of our destruction coming here.

That includes Communist Chinese grad students as well as grad students from Russia. Both are enemy countries that see themselves as our adversary.

Don’t Fight wars when killed are 200?

The time to fight wars is when battle phase deaths are 200 per war, or even 2000.

Ignore need for Iranian regime change

We need to remove the Iranian regime that is hostile to us and prevents a solution in Iraq.

We need to apply Weed and Seed in Iran. Weed and seed is remove what’s bad, seed what’s good and see what grows. If its a weed, remove it.

Ignore Iran’s missiles, subs and nuclear program.

We need to remove Iran’s missile, sub, and nuclear program. We can’t let Iran put nukes on missiles on subs and have them off our shores or sell them to North Korea or Pakistan. The time to defeat them is now.

We have Iran surrounded on 3 sides. Saddam didn’t. We have air and naval power, Saddam didn’t. We have a better military than Saddam or Iran in the 1980’s or what they have now.

Give up bases to invade Iran from?
We should not retreat from Iraq and give up our bases to attack Iran. We lose more dead from retaking this ground around Iran than attacking now.

If Iran defends forward, we defeat it from our bases, if back, we can defeat it piecemeal. If it defends back, it loses missile and sub bases to threaten our ships.

Our biggest potential loss in a war with Iran is a missile or sub that sinks a carrier. So we want to use our ground troops to remove missiles in range of our ships and subs. Air power will get most but not all of their missiles.

Pakistan nukes, subs, missiles.

Pakistan has nukes, subs and missiles and is intending to combine them. They have a sub shipyard the French built for them. They have a new nuclear reactor coming on line that will help them build many minaturized warheads that will fit on missiles on subs.

Risks in Iran Invasion made worse

Attacking Iran from the ground from Iraq is less risky than using ships. Big ships can be sunk by Iran’s missiles or subs. We want to move our ships back and use ground forces because its lower risk and lower cost. To do that, we need bases in Iraq.

The BH group wants us to lower our ground forces and remove our combat units from Iraq. That will let Iran attack them. It also doesn’t let us attack Iran during a rotation when we double up combat units in Iraq. That means we lose surprise.

Delay makes Iran and Pakistan problems worse and solutions more costly and risky.

Surround and Blockade Pakistan

We must surround and blockade Pakistan to force it to give up its subs, missiles and nukes. If that fails, we must invade it. We need to surround it to minimize casualties.

We need bases in Iraq to invade Iran at lower cost. We need to invade Iran to surround Pakistan. We need to surround and blockade Pakistan to make it give up its nukes without fighting a war.

We have wasted time after 9-11

We have wasted time. We should have won the whole war starting after 9-11 by the end of 2003. That should have included Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Hezbollah, Afghanistan, Hamas, and North Korea. We have acted as if we had time, when we don’t.

Our know-how is going to China, Iran, Pakistan

Our military advantage is eroded by Chinese grad students and H1B’s and Indian and other nationals who give our technology and know-how to China, Pakistan, Iran, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc.

We have to teach our people math and science in our grad schools, and not the people of any other country at all. We need to employ our people in our country, and not the people of any other country at all. We need to give our young adults economic and job security so they can get married, have kids and stay married. That means ending immigration.

Islam at war with West using immigration

Islam is at war with us using immigration and population demographics. We are losing that war. Islam is conquering Europe and Russia by these means. We must get Europe to stop immigration and to keep Turkey out of Europe.

Islam’s history is war with West

We have to look at history. We have to stop the PC idea that we are the problem of history and return to the idea of our forbears that Islam is the problem. We need leaders on our side, not on the side of their own pipeline deals.

Lee Hamilton lied about Saudi Pak role in 9-11

We don’t need a Lee Hamilton who lies about the role of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and then to cover up his lies pretends that Iraq is a problem by itself instead of part of a wider war, a war he covered up.

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia attacked us on 9-11 through proxies. They are supporting the insurgencies against us in Iraq and Afghanistan. So is Iran. All 3 countries are at war with us. They are the main enemy homelands. We must defeat all 3.

Baker Hamilton, Baker Kean, Nawaf Obaid, Prince Turki al-Faisal, President Bush in defending Saudi Arabia and Prince Bandar are part of the same disinformation machine working against us.

We need to exclude Muslims from our military, Congress, weapons lab, etc. We must keep Muslims from getting access to Russian, British, French or US nukes. We need to stop their immigration or even visiting our country.

After Pearl Harbor, Immigration stopped.

After Pearl Harbor was attacked, immigration and tourism from Japan and Germany was completely halted. That is what happens in war. Nor did we have Chinese grad students occupy our physics departments and weapons labs, with some exceptions like C. S. Wu, who may have been a spy, other Chinese in the West during WWII later returned to China and built their bombs including Huanwu Peng.

History teaches that countries that continue immigration and tourism from hostile lands during war and after they are caught attacking us from within and stealing our know-how don’t survive. We are a feckless country.

Is it better to bomb Iraq than to stop immigration home? Bush says we have to fight them there so that we don’t have to fight them here. If they can’t come here, they can’t kill us here. Why don’t we stop immigration? Why is it better to kill them in their own lands than stop them coming to our lands?

–America had survival instinct after Dec 7, 1941

America stopped all immigration. It stopped tourism and student visas. Only Americans were taught Ph.D. level physics. Now its the opposite.

The people of that time had a survival instinct for themselves, their children and their country. It was their and their children’s country then and forever. They took it seriously and took their children’s future seriously. They had courage to face up to reality and do what it took to win.

They said the truth. They didn’t say fascism is the religion of peace. They defeated fascism. They didn’t set up fascist republics, courts and laws, they abolished them. They didn’t praise what attacked them, they destroyed it, utterly and completely for all time.

They removed it from the planet so that it could never harm any human being, in their own time or any time to come. They thought not just of themselves, but of generations to come. They did what had to be done.

Leaders want to coverup their betrayal

Our leaders are interested in covering up their mistakes and complicity in our problems, especially in the immigration of the last 40 years that allowed 9-11 and led to our know in night vision and stealth ending up with China.

Time to win is short, invade Iran now

We need to rapidly defeat our enemies before our know-how transferred to China is sold to Iran and Pakistan and used against us.

We are at war, but act like we are not only at peace, but that all the world is already united as one people. We have PC lies broadcast from our media that blame us and undermine our loyalty to ourselves. Our leaders do this for personal advantage and to lie about having betrayed us already. Baker Hamilton are part of that.

Baker Botts Saudi Arabia’s lawyer

Baker Botts is defending Saudi Arabia, a country that Lee Hamilton lied about not having financed the 9-11 attacks against us.

BH study group has covered up Saudi Arabia and Iran’s role in supporting the insurgency against us in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Baker Botts law firm has pipeline deals in the Middle East and Central Asia. James A. Baker IV, the son of James A. Baker III is head of the Washington Office of Baker Botts and part of those pipeline deals.

Prince Bandar has boasted on US TV that he pays people when they leave government and this makes them look at things his way while in government.

The West has the most disloyal leaders in recorded history. The elites in the West have an ideology of hatred of the West and of the middle classes.

Baker Hamiton Botts Bush are more loyal to the elites of our enemies than to our middle class. We have enemies within like the communists in WWII. Like FDR then, our leaders lie about it now.

We have already been attacked from within

Unlike Pearl Harbor, we were attacked from within, not once but multiple times. Our enemies organize in our homeland and use our own courts against us.

After Pearl Harbor, when attacked from without by Imperial Japanese Navy, we interned Japanese. After 9-11 when attacked from within by Muslims, we didn’t intern Muslims or even stop immigration. We got it wrong both times?

Americans during WWII believed in themselves. They wanted to live and though they had an unconditional right to live. Our leaders thought that and were loyal.

Americans believed during WWII that they were fighting to keep this land for themselves and their children forever. They believed this land belonged to them to the exclusion of all others forever. Owning land means excluding others from its enjoyment. They believed they owned this land in that sense and their children would forever.

Ask your politician if he believes the people of this country and their children own this land to the exclusion of all other people forever? Ask them at every opportunity.

Why is killing over 100,000 Iraqis by some counts thinkable and moral, but stopping immigration or deporting those who attack us from within unthinkable? When will worse become not just thinkable but necessary?

Look at what they have done to their lands before coming here? Look at Iraq, Lebanon, the West Bank, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc. What do they do when they come here? They call us racist. They call us names.

They say one thing in English and another thing in their own language. Why is it unthinkable to send them back, but thinkable to bomb their relatives who are still there? Why do we have to bomb their relatives there so they won’t kill us here?

Does that even make sense? Doesn’t bombing their relatives there make them more likely to kill us here? Isn’t that what happened in 1993 at WTC and in 2001 at WTC and the Pentagon?

Didn’t the MSM lie about this after the WTC 1993 attack? Didn’t the MSM say the Republicans were bigots including Pat Buchanan at the 1996 Republican convention to want to slow down immigration?

Didn’t all 19 hijackers come after the 1996 Republican convention? Didn’t the MSM lie on 9-11? Didn’t they call us bigots pre-emptively for wanting to stop immigration?

Didn’t Norman Mineta on 9-12 say he was against profiling to cover up that he was responsible for 3000 people being killed? Didn’t we find out later he had had warnings before 9-11 that he didn’t tell us about on 9-12 when he said no profiling. He was told in advance of the risk, as was Bush and as was Rice. They all did nothing and then after 9-11, lied to us when they said they had no warning and no idea.

If they lied about that, aren’ they lying about immigration? They kill over 100,000 Muslims and say its to keep their relatives here from killing us. But the Muslims here have already attacked us from within. How can killing Muslims there make us safer from Muslims here?

If they can’t deport them, why can’t they stop immigration from the very lands where our troops are being killed or that are supporting it? Saudi Arabia is supplying men, money and arms to the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan to kill Americans. Why do we have 15,000 Saudi students coming here? Isn’t everything that Bush and the MSM say a lie?

When America is a Lebanon, Iraq, or even a Denmark, France, or Netherlands won’t we have to do worse? When the civil war is on us, won’t we have to do and suffer far worse then? Why can’t we face reality now?

Our ancestors in WWII faced up to what had to be done. They did what it took to protect their land, their children, and their grand children. They didn’t tell themselves PC lies that they were responsible for everything that is wrong.

The MSM repeat Manuel II’s words but turn them on the West.

Show me just what the West brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as its command to stop immigration by the authentic indigenous people of Denmark, England, France, and America, i.e. Muslims from Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, whose ancestors never came from there.[2]

If we don’t want to deport or do worse later, had we not better stop immigration now? Aren’t the MSM and our leaders lying about immigration now to cover up for their past betrayals since 1965? Aren’t they making it worse later to cover up for the past now?

If we hope to assimilate those here, instead of fighting them, shouldn’t we stop immigration now? Which is kinder? Its the truth that the MSM hate. They were responsible for the deaths on 9-11 by their calling Pat Buchanan a bigot at the 1996 Republican Convention.

On 9-11, Peter Jennings and the others couldn’t admit that Pat Buchanan was right in 1996 at the Republican Convention and they were wrong to call him a bigot. Almost 3,000 people died on 9-11 because they made the wrong call in 1996. Thousands have died since in Iraq because of their mistake. They can’t admit they all died because they called Pat Buchanan a bigot in 1996.

Because if they were wrong then, their motives must have been their own bigotry and anti-Americanism. They must have intended immigration all along to take our job, physical and speech security. To admit that is to let us blame them and to give up their strategy. They still want to take away our job, physical and speech security.

That includes Bush after 9-11. He wanted to keep us fearful because he was warned before 9-11. He lied to us then and he is still lying. All the deaths are his fault. He lies to keep from admitting that.

Things will only get worse while we listen to the lies of the MSM. A country can become Lebanon or Iraq or the West Bank. Those lands were better than they were now. But high birth rates by the people in those lands made them unlivable. Those high birth rates caused the most extreme interpretation of Islam to become the norm.

In the 1960’s, women did not walk covered in Lebanon or Iraq or the West Bank. Now they walk that way even in London and America. What does that tell us will happen next here?

If their birth rates caused their lands to become unlivable, what will they do in our lands? When do we speak up for our own survival? Now or when its too late? What will they do to us when they have the power? What they are doing now?

The issue of whether to stop immigration or to deport those who attack us from within or support those who do is an empirical question. The PC MSM make it sound like a moral issue of black and white. To let ourselves be turned into a Baghdad situation is not moral. To let our land become a land of terror and war is not moral.

Moreover, earth’s sustainable population is far below its current population, perhaps 1 billion. If America and Europe became war zones, then earth will miss its chance to reverse with technology the environmental problems. In that case, the human population may go down to 50 million or even zero.

We have an obligation to maintain the human species. This may be the only intelligent species in the universe.

The universe may be wasted if we die out. This may be the only universe. This may be the last best hope of intelligent life in the universe. We can’t let it be turned into a war zone by a PC elite that denies the evidence of buildings burning behind them as they say immigration is not the problem.

Everyone who died has done so for immigration.

Every person who died on 9-11 2001 or in WTC 1993 or in Iraq or Afghanistan, whether Muslim or not, died for immigration. Every person put in prison, every person detained, every person tortured, whether in Iraq or Gitmo or some secret prison sufferred for immigration.

Every person who has been afraid, been searched, been delayed, been subjected to indignity, been offended, can trace that to immigration.

Take away the 1965 Immigration Act and none of it would have happened. There would be no Gitmo. There would be no extraordinary renditions. There would have been no waterboarding. There would have been no Abu Ghraib. There would be no bombing. None of it would have happened.

We keep Gitmo open today to keep immigration going into the future. We have secret prisons to keep immigration going into the future. We have troops in Iraq to keep immigration going into the future. Every death, every maiming, every sacrifice is for immigration.

Teddy Kennedy and the others in 1965 lied about the reasons for the 1965 Immigration Act. They said it wasn’t to change the racial make up, when it explicitly said it was. They lied about it then and their motives. Immigration has always been a lie.

Immigration is a lie today. Immigration is about lies. Everyone being detained in Gitmo today is there for immigration. Everyone dying in Iraq today is dying for immigration.

More people will die with certainty because of what has happened. Our night vision and stealth technology have been stolen by China by immigration.

Middle class job security has been taken by immigration. Good working class jobs with good wages, benefits and job security no longer exist because of immigration. They once were regarded as a right.

Men’s median wages are no higher today in the US than in 1973. This is the intended outcome of the 1965 Immigration Act, and every pro-immigration vote since then. Senators take money for this. Nancy Pelosi has illegals work her vineyards outside San Francisco and she voted against requiring employers of illegals to pay for their hospital costs.

Congress lies about immigration. The Democratic Party is a lie. It says its for the little guy, the poor, the working class and the middle class but they are in fact totally against them. What has taken away the Archie Bunker homestead is the 1965 Immigration Act of the Democratic Party. The truth is they hate Archie Bunker and to get him have hit every middle class and working class person in America.

The intended result of immigration was to take away job security, physical security and speech security. Its accomplished that. All the people who died on 9-11, died and their deaths lied about to cover up that Pat Buchanan was right in 1996 to want to stop immigration completely.

Everything that Bush, McCain, George Will, William Kristol, the 9-11 Commission, Lee Hamilton, Jim Baker, the Iraq Study Group, the Senate, Nancy Pelosi say about all this is a lie. They are covering up their own immigration policies as the root cause of what happened on 9-11 and since then.

Iraq was flip side of Dec 7, 1941 reaction.

On Dec 7, 1941, we were attacked by a foreign navy. We responded by internment and cutting off immigration and then went after them. Even before they were defeated, we relaxed the internment.

On Sep 11, 2001, we were attacked from inside. We didn’t do internment or even slow down immigration, tourism or student visas, even from the countries that attacked us or supported the attack.

Instead, we attacked a country outside ours that didn’t even support the 9-11 attacks. Bush said we had to fight them in Iraq so that Saudis, Pakistanis, etc. wouldn’t fight us here. But he still kept them coming here.

Irrationality and lies not security

Those who deny reality are not interested in our security but their own short term security. Bush and the establishment were covering up their lies about immigration and intentionally causing more deaths here to cover up for their lies. We know they were warned before 9-11, and chose not to warn us.

It was for the same reason. They wouldn’t admit before 9-11 that immigrants were a risk. There would have been a manhunt for the immigrants, which would have led to the question of why they were here.

So their lies led to our deaths. Then they took away our civil rights. So their lies led to our losing our physical and legal security. They also have taken away our job security. Men’s median wages are below what they were in 1973. They lie about immigration’s role in that and try to hide that it happened. Democrats say they are for the poor when they are against them.

You don’t get security from those who lie about the causes of 9-11. They lied before, during and after it. They still are covering up Saudi and Pakistani involvement many believe.

Irrationality and lies are not security. They lead to worse actual outcomes and even bigger lies. Countries can fall apart and become combat zones. Look at Lebanon and Iraq over the last 50 years.

This is now happening here. The real racism is to think we are different. The real racism is to think that we can change the people and give up homogeneity and not have the wars that come from diversity. The real racism is to think diversity causes wars there but won’t here.

Irrationality and lies are not the basis of security. Retirement financial and physical security is not built on lies. It will be far worse than we can let ourselves believe. We see what it will be in Lebanon and Iraq today. That is the future immigration brings us.

That is what the Baker Hamilton Iraq Study Group should have said. They should have said, whatever can be said about Iraq, we have to stop immigration so that it doesn’t happen here.

If they can’t stop diversity killing there with our army there, why should we believe they can stop it here? Do we want our army in our lives? Do we want checkpoints like in Baghdad and the West Bank and Gaza?

The MSM elite will get special treatment, as will Congress. We won’t be able to take sick children to the doctor or hospital, get to work, buy groceries or even have electricity and water. They will laugh at us and lie to us just as they do now.

Future in America will be worse with certainty

If they lie about the past, won’t they lie about the future? The intended result of immigration is to take away job, physical and speech security. So it will.

What will happen in the future will be far worse than 9-11. Suicide bombing will come. That’s what 9-11 was. Its going to come as a norm. Fatwa’s will be prepared and given to order it.
Not mobilized our military

We have not moblized our military to deal with the threats because Bush Sr. lost the 1992 election after his no new taxes pledge. We get no truth from our government.

The first Bush administration used fear to cover up a multitude of crimes after taking office and likely many before.

We are infiltrated

Our society is infiltrated in universities, MSM, Wall Street, defense industries, Silicon valley, etc. by foreign nationals from hostile countries. They gather kompromat and blackmail and bribe our elites to be against us.

Deindustrialization after 9-11 in time of war

After being attacked on 9-11, we have sold companies to foreign countries, invested outside the US, continued low cost imports, seen our automobile companies verge on bankruptcy, invested in a housing boom instead of the weapons and energy independence we need. We have sent our know-how overseas and brought others to our shores to displace and substitute for our own people to learn science, math, engineering, computers and technology.

Our information of all types has been sent outside the country and foreigners brought here, often from hostile lands like Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Iran, etc. to have control of it.

The education, recommendation letters, promotion, admissions, hiring, etc. of Americans is controlled by foreigners from hostile lands including Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Iran, etc. They openly discriminate and make racist comments about the inferiority and laziness of Americans.

MSM, Profs, Govt are Enemy Propaganda Machine

We have abandoned ourselves, our dignity, all sense of loyalty and reason. The truth is told by a few and they are called racists and bigots, even in time of war.

On and after 9-11, the MSM, President, Norman Mineta, praise our enemies ideology and religion, and attack as bigots those who want to stop immigration and tourism into our country at time of war. Our night vision and stealth technology have been taken since then. Our night vision is used by insurgents to kill and maim our troops and our leaders, MSM, profs, etc. say its bigotry to want to stop that and support our troops by keeping it here.

Stop Immigration, Know-how transfer, Self-hate in wartime

The way to do that is to stop immigration, tourism, student visas to our land during time of war. Yet our MSM, profs, leaders, etc. all say that is bigotry. They say to be for ourselves in time of war is bigotry. Their concepts are leftist concepts created by the Soviet Union and Marx to defeat us. They have combined the 19th century anti Western concepts of Marx as an enemy ideology within with Islam as another enemy ideology within. They have made Muslims the highest birth rate group in our society, and say its bigotry to stop their immigration. They are choosing death and say its not. This reflects Marxist hate of the West that is taught in K-12, colleges, and by the MSM and political leaders.

The Commission parrot the same lies and hate. We have few leaders who are for us, and they are called nativists and bigots. We are losing the immigration, demographic and birth rate conflict and the MSM praise it. They fund a third world population bubble that is causing a mass extinction of species. Then they push immigration that makes it worse.

Earth’s population above sustainable level

Earth’s population is far above its sustainable level, i.e. the level that doesn’t cause more species to go extinct than come into existence. The longer this continues, the more species that go extinct, and the lower the sustainable population becomes.

We are on a train to destruction and our leaders ignore it. No one is at the controls of this train as it heads towards desruction. No one is at the controls but death.

Islam was developed in 622 AD, the Dark Ages. It reflected the scarcity and demographic stress of those times. Some think this was caused by a volcano, but whatever the cause the Dark Ages was a time of population decline and stress.

The 19th century was a time of rapid population growth, and demographic stress. This resulted in the genocide of Christians by the Muslims of the Ottoman Empire that started in the 1890’s and has essentially continued in the successor states of that Empire to the present day.

Resurgent Islam is a reflection of the current demographic stress induced by their high birth rate, just as Marxism was a reflection of demographic stress from high birth rates in the 19th century. The toxic fundamentalist Islam of today, far worse than the 1960’s is a reflection of demographic stress.

Earth is crowded. It is far above its sustainable human population level. There are Volterra Predator Prey equations that govern this. However, in our system of equations, instead of a decline in population of each species in proportion, the supporting species go extinct.

This means the sustainable human population level falls. This continues in proportion to the gap between the current population and the sustainable population. But that gap is increasing, because current population goes up and the sustainable population goes down as species go extinct. This just makes more species go extinct, further driving down the sustainable population.

At some point, the current population must reverse course and then go down faster than the sustainable population if it is to meet the sustainable population before the sustainable population reaches zero.

Islam and Latin Leftism driven by population bubble

Islam and self hate Marxism will only get worse until we reach this equilibrium point. Demographic stress will increase as the sustainable population falls from the mass extinction of species underway. This means that ideologies like Islam and self hate Leftism will get worse.

We see this in the hatred of Latin America for America and Europeans. This hatred has become toxically racist towards non native American groups. This reflects the overpopulation of the Americas. The rhetoric of hate from Hispanic groups and Latin American countries is an expression of the same demographic stress as the change in Islam from the 1960’s to the present.

Both will continue to become more extreme, violent and with greater rhetoric of hatred of Americans and Europeans based on race, religion, etc. The reaction of the elites is to increase current population more, and thus to cause extinction of species and thus lower the sustainable population. This increases the gap of current population minus sustainable population.

That increases the extinction of species, and it increases the rhetoric of hatred from Islam and Latin American leftism. We are getting farther and farther away from the 1950’s breathing spell we had. Our leaders think that is automatic. But in fact, it was an extreme aberration. That was the best time ever for the people of the West. Our leaders do everything possible to move away from that, including immigration and the rest of it.

Immigration to the developed world, increases the use of hydrocarbons and other resources faster than any other action. This then causes extinction of species and degrading of earth’s environment. It is the easiest of the bad policies are leaders follow to stop. We must stop immigration totally.

Remover nukes from lands of demographic stress

We must remove all nukes from places of demographic stress, Pakistan, North Korea and incipiently Iran. While battle phase deaths are 200 or even 20,000 this must be done now. We must restore our military. We must do it all in 2 years, denuke North Korea and Pakistan and remove Iran’s nuclear program.

We delayed after 9-11. Time is against us and running out. Our leaders need a WWII sense of urgency, instead of the peace time rhythms of Congress.

Gap of Population minus Sustainable Population drives Islam, Latin Leftism, anti-Westernism, and regional conflict.

Anti-American and anti Western Islam and Latin American Leftism increase as the gap between current population
and sustainable population increases. These combine with immigration to become doctrines of democide and genocide. The West responds with self-hate and aid which make the population gap larger, thus increasing the anti-Western hate. This will result in the extinction of Western populations followed by a collapse of the World population made worse by that extinction to a very low level.

Other advanced populations, including China and Japan and the elites in other countries will also collapse as this population bubble collapses in an implosion. The means to sustain population will then disintegrate, bringing the population even below the long term sustainable level, if a fully functioning advanced world was operating normally.

Just as Islam contributed to this process in the 7th century by attacking the Western superpower, the Eastern Roman Empire, so it contributes to it today. So does Third World Leftism, which also dominates our own institutes of learning, non-profits, NGO’s, the UN, corporations, and the MSM.

The third world blames the West using the terms at hand, Marxism, anti-colonialism or Islam, because it blames the West for anything that goes wrong. Aids arose because the third world population exceeded the sustainable level. This made the 3rd world human population an incubator of new disease. This was the response of the living biosphere to this cause of mass extinction of species. It was an equilibrium response to return the human population to the sustainable level, the level at which it does not cause extinction of other species. The third world blamed this new disease, caused by its own population bubble on the CIA.

In fact, it was the West by giving food aid, vaccinations, etc. that caused the third world population bubble and thus caused aids. The West stopped all the equilibrium mechanisms for population in the third world. The earth then stepped in with a new restoring force to equilibrium, aids.

Gates and Buffet, Sachs and Bono, travel the world making things worse. Immigration makes it worse by importing this population excess into the first world, and which uses energy at higher rates. The do gooders who travel the third world and want to relieve its misery by Western aid are a force against equilibrium.

Their response is to disrupt the equilibrium mechanism that restores current population to the sustainable population level, the level at which humans don’t cause extinction of other species. The Sachs Bono Buffet Gates types are increasing or maintaining the gap between the current population and the sustainable population.

This increases extinction of species and thus lowers the sustainable population. The result is an increase in the hatred of the third world for the first, and the increase of the hatred of immigrant groups from the third world inside the first world.

The result is an increase in radical Islam or radical Latin American Leftism. These operate inside and outside of the West. They result in rumors and a disconnect between reality and perception. They are the “bacteria of stupidity” spread by the NGO’s, left, World Bank, MSM, profs, rock stars, celebrities, movie stars, etc.

The result of this is war. It is war within the West and from outside. Pakistan, North Korea, Iran, etc. search for nuclear weapons. Unlike the 1950’s, this is at a time of extreme demographic stress. That results in a disconnect between actions and reality. Thus these weapons will be used.

The 1950’s was a time of mathematical analysis of mutual assured destruction between two stable societies. Now we are at a time of an unsustainable population bubble. That causes the third world to operate outside the reality zone. It also causes them to seek a new morality of global conquest and jihad, whether in Islam or Latin American Reconquista Leftism. This will be from within and without.

MAD doesn’t work with demographic stress

Mutual assured destruction doesn’t work when one side is motivated by demographic stress, denial of reality and hate of the West. We can’t rely on MAD because it doesn’t apply to the situation. They view their population as unsustainable and excess themselves. If they trade some of their people for us, they view it as win win.

Equivalents of anti-Americanism will operate in Russia and China. The Litvinenko killing is the sort of madness killing miscalculation that will happen, but on a small scale. Its easier to understand than 9-11, but reflects the same underlying math.

In either case, the result is war, immigration, conflict, hatred, and racism on a toxic level. This is not assimilation. This is war for extinction based on extreme demographic induced hysteria and hatred. There is no reasoning with human populations in the grip of demographic stress and a population bubble. There is only the movement to the most extreme ideologies of hate and the using of all weapons available, including nuclear, birth rate, immigration, discrimination, crime, etc.

As the gap between current population and sustainable population increases, the gap between reality and perception increases as well. The result can only be the piercing of the population bubble in a cataclysmic process of destruction. This will be through and by anti-Western Latin American Leftism, extreme Islam, etc.

This article represents hypotheses, speculation, and opinion. All other disclaimers apply.

Iraq Solution: Weed and Seed

December 6, 2006

The Baker Hamilton Iraq Study Group has issued a report that is based on the cement model. We are locked into what we started in Iraq. We will still have 70,000 imbeds and advisers under their plan.

Weed and seed means we remove what’s bad and we put down the seeds for what is good and see what happens. Weed, seed, water, plant food, and time is an enhanced version.

Under weed and seed, we wait to see what springs up from the seeds we plant. We don’t sit there trying to do the job of growth ourselves. Instead we let the seed do its job, grow. If what grows turns out to be the local weeds or a foreign weed, then we weed it out and see what comes up.

We should invade Iran and see what develops in Iraq. If weeeds grow in Iraq, we remove them and see what comes up again.

Right now we have al Maliki in Iraq. al Maliki is a weed. So is Sadr and his Mahdi army. We should remove him now.

This article represents hypotheses, speculation and good gardening.

Baker Hamilton Munich Study Group Conclusion

December 6, 2006

Baker Hamilton Iraq Study Group conclusions are in:
Iran and Syria to take over Iraq

Syria gets Golan Heights

Hezbollah gets Christian Lebanon

Turkey to take over Europe

Hamas gets Israel

Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Libya get piracy.

Mexico and China to take over US

North Korea to take over South Korea and Japan

Whatever floats along gets Australia and New Zealand

Canada, sells itself out, sorry

Russia is just supposed to kill people sporadically until Muslims control its nukes. Sushi bars are open season for FSB.

And, oh yeah, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia never had anything to do with 9-11 or terrorism before or after 9-11.

Baker Botts gets pipeline deals everywhere.

Nuclear warheads on missiles on subs for all of them. India, Pacific, Atlantic oceans will be full of Jizyah sub flotillas demanding payment. So will the seven seas.

This is called realism.

Working Group members

“The Iraq Study Group is a bipartisan group of prominent Americans supported by four premier institutions. It is led by co-chairs James A. Baker, III, the nation’s 61st Secretary of State and Honorary Chairman of the James A. Baker III Institute for Public Policy at Rice University, and Lee H. Hamilton, former Congressman and Director of the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars.

The other members of the study group include: Lawrence S. Eagleburger, Vernon E. Jordan, Jr., Edwin Meese III , Sandra Day O’Connor, Leon E. Panetta, William J. Perry, Charles S. Robb, and Alan K. Simpson.”

The “four premier institutions” correspond to the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse:

Mass extinction of species from 3rd world population bubble funded by Gates Buffet Bono Sachs World Bank etc.



Betrayal of the Middle Class by know-how transfer.

This article represents hypotheses, speculation, opinion and the real realism about our “leaders” aka occupiers.

Baker Hamilton Munich Study Group

November 30, 2006

The Baker Hamilton Iraq Study Group is going to recommend that we give up our bases in Iraq that we paid 3000 lives for without using them to invade Iran. This is a blunder of not understanding what the fight is. Gingrich makes this point in the article linked to below.

James A. Baker III and Lee Hamilton understand process not substance. This is a good definition of “realist”. Realists give themselves credit for the fall of the USSR. But it was the lack of a price system and profit accounting that did it in.

It was the realists who let the USSR get the bomb. The realists allowed Hitler to rise to power. The realists undid the positives in the League of Nation. The realists wanted to live with fascism, communism, and now radical Islam. Its the realists who make us put the radical in front of Islam and make us say that Islam is the religion of peace. If Islam is what Saudi judges say it is, then what we have to call radical Islam is their version of Islam.

What they are proposing is the 1938 Munich Pact with the devil updated to the modern equivalents. They are selling us out. If you are realistic, you know, that’s what realists do.

It was the realists who arranged the 1975 helicopter airlift out of Saigon. Now they are proposing it for Baghdad. In 1975, they gave South Vietnam to North Vietnamese Hard Core Communists.

Now they give Iraq to Iran. These are hard core Islamofascists. They are also letting Iran develop nuclear weapons. They are letting Pakistan keep its.

The 27 pages linking Saudi Arabia to 9-11 were kept from the public by the realists. Saudi Arabia shows its gratitude to the Baker Botts law firm, Carlyle Group, Cohen Group perhaps, and others.

LA Times summary of the redacted 27 pages :

Saudi Government Provided Aid to 9/11 Hijackers, Sources Say
By Josh Meyer
The Los Angeles Times

Saturday 02 August 2003″

The 28 pages including the 27 blank pages are here. Hamilton and Kean said they couldn’t find any links of financing 9-11 to Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. Evidently they read the blank pages public version instead of the actual report. For the Pakistan links they needed to read Christina Lamb columns in the London Times.

Bush’s first Munich Pact was with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan after 9-11. His others include further ones with Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, as well as China, India Nuclear Deal, and now with Iran.

11 Key Tests for the Baker-Hamilton Report
By Newt Gingrich
Weekly Standard | November 29, 2006

Following Comment:

Date: 11/29/2006 8:59:48 AM
Name: Old Atlantic
Subject: Re 27 Pages on Saudi Arabia and 9-11, etc.
Comment: Congress did a report in 2003 with 27 pages that couldn’t be made public. The LA Times published a summary. Search on Saudi Arabia 9-11 and go to

After 9-11, Bush needed to tell the truth of Saudi and Pakistan links to terrorists to the American people. When America is attacked, the president has to level with the American people and tell them the truth.

Instead, Bush protected his Saudi friends and did a torture pact with Prince Bandar. At that point, he and we had lost the war.

In Nov 2001, Bush let Pakistan evacuate its generals from Kunduz in Afghanistan where they were advising the Taliban against us.

Because Bush did these things, he didn’t go after Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Those are the two main enemy homelands against us, along with Iran.

In WWII we island hopped to the Japanese mainland. We didn’t stop to nation build the islands. Nor did we nation build North Africa in 1942 after we invaded there. We went to Germany and Japan the two main enemy homelands. Unfortunately, we didn’t finish off the USSR then. That really is the source of many of our problems today.

Now we need to do a ground invasion of Iran and surround Pakistan and blockade it. We must make them give up their nukes, abolish religious law, courts, police, retire the judges, and end the call to prayers.The same must be done in Iran.

If Saudi Arabia does this on its own, it can avoid occupation.

We must strike North Korea now and destroy what we can of their nuclear facilities, missiles, sub yards, etc. South Korea has failed to support us even in minimal acts. We have an obligation to Japan, ourselves, and the region.

We must stop Chinese grad students coming here and displacing Americans in physics Ph.D. programs and inspect containers until the ships back up to China. We must end know-how transfer to China. Until we do that, China thinks it has bought our leaders, and its right.

==Background on Munich 1938


====Munich Pact Text

Agreement concluded at Munich, September 29, 1938, between Germany, Great Britain, France and Italy

GERMANY, the United Kingdom, France and Italy, taking into consideration the agreement, which has been already reached in principle for the cession to Germany of the Sudeten German territory, have agreed on the following terms and conditions governing the said cession and the measures consequent thereon, and by this agreement they each hold themselves responsible for the steps necessary to secure its fulfilment:

(1) The evacuation will begin on 1st October.

(2) The United Kingdom, France and Italy agree that the evacuation of the territory shall be completed by the 10th October, without any existing installations having been destroyed, and that the Czechoslovak Government will be held responsible for carrying out the evacuation without damage to the said installations.

(3) The conditions governing the evacuation will be laid down in detail by an international commission composed of representatives of Germany, the United Kingdom, France, Italy and Czechoslovakia.

(4) The occupation by stages of the predominantly German territory by German troops will begin on 1st October. The four territories marked on the attached map will be occupied by German troops in the following order:

The territory marked No. I on the 1st and 2nd of October; the territory marked No. II on the 2nd and 3rd of October; the territory marked No. III on the 3rd, 4th and 5th of October; the territory marked No. IV on the 6th and 7th of October. The remaining territory of preponderantly German character will be ascertained by the aforesaid international commission forthwith and be occupied by German troops by the 10th of October.

(5) The international commission referred to in paragraph 3 will determine the territories in which a plebiscite is to be held. These territories will be occupied by international bodies until the plebiscite has been completed. The same commission will fix the conditions in which the plebiscite is to be held, taking as a basis the conditions of the Saar plebiscite. The commission will also fix a date, not later than the end of November, on which the plebiscite will be held.

(6) The final determination of the frontiers will be carried out by the international commission. The commission will also be entitled to recommend to the four Powers, Germany, the United Kingdom, France and Italy, in certain exceptional cases, minor modifications in the strictly ethnographical determination of the zones which are to be transferred without plebiscite.

(7) There will be a right of option into and out of the transferred territories, the option to be exercised within six months from the date of this agreement. A German-Czechoslovak commission shall determine the details of the option, consider ways of facilitating the transfer of population and settle questions of principle arising out of the said transfer.

(8) The Czechoslovak Government will within a period of four weeks from the date of this agreement release from their military and police forces any Sudeten Germans who may wish to be released, and the Czechoslovak Government will within the same period release Sudeten German prisoners who are serving terms of imprisonment for political offences.

Munich, September 29, 1938.

from Avalon Project


The British Parliamentary Debate on the Munich Agreement

From Parliamentary Debates, 5th series, vol.339 (1938), cols 30, 31-34, 39, 40, 47-52, 54, 56-58, 62-63, 150-154, 162, 360-369, 373, 548-553.


“I besought my colleagues not to see this problem always in terms of Czechoslovakia, not to review it always from the difficult strategic position of that small country, but rather to say to themselves, “A moment may come when, owing to the invasion of Czechoslovakia, a European war will begin, and when that moment comes we must take part in that war, we cannot keep out of it, and there is no doubt upon which side we shall fight. Let the world know that and it will give those who are prepared to disturb the peace reason to hold their hand.”

We must not see this as a war about Iraq. As Gingrich wrote, and many others, its a wider war. In fact, the moment of fighting the wider war began no later than Sep 11, 2001.

It seems these things happen in September. Munich Pact, invasion of Poland 1939, etc.

” It was, however, a guarded statement. It was a statement to the effect that if there were such a war it would be unwise for anybody to count upon the possibility of our staying out.

That is not the language which the dictators understand. Together with new methods and a new morality they have introduced also a new vocabulary into Europe. They have discarded the old diplomatic methods of correspondence….”

So have the Islamic Republics and Kingdoms. They don’t understand the “old diplomatic methods of correspondence”.


“In my view the strongest force of all, one which grew and took fresh shapes and forms every day was the force not of any one individual, but was that unmistakable sense of unanimity among the peoples of the world that war somehow must be averted. The peoples of the British Empire were at one with those of Germany, of France and of Italy, and their anxiety, their intense desire for peace, pervaded the whole atmosphere of the conference, and I believe that that, and not threats, made possible the Concessions that were made….

We were already at war on September 11, 2001. We were at war with Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and the others who view the world as they do, a fight to the death between Islamic Republics and Kingdoms and the West.

“I believe there are many who will feel with me that such a declaration, signed by the German Chancellor and myself, is something more than a pious expression of opinion. ”

This is a false view with Islamic Republics and Kingdoms. There is no peace as we understand it with them.

“It is to such tasks–the winning back of confidence, the gradual removal of hostility between nations until they feel that they can safely discard their weapons, one by one, that I would wish to devote what energy and time may be left to me before I hand over my office to younger men.”

Then as now, younger men must fight and die in the millions because we can’t act now. The time to fight is now. They are at war with us, and have been for decades. In fact, since 622 AD.


“We all feel relief that war has not come this time.”You were at war then, and we already are at war now.

“We have seen today a gallant, civilised and democratic people betrayed and handed over to a ruthless despotism. We have seen something more. We have seen the cause of democracy, which is, in our view, the cause of civilisation and humanity, receive a terrible defeat.”

Old Atlantic: Saigon 1975. The Iraq and Afghan Constitutions making them Islamic Republics. After 9-11, letting Saudi Arabia and Pakistan get away with it.

“The events of these last few days constitute one of the greatest diplomatic defeats that this country and France have ever sustained. There can be no doubt that it is a tremendous victory for Herr Hitler. Without firing a shot, by the mere display of military force, he has achieved a dominating position in Europe which Germany failed to win after four years of war. He has overturned the balance of power in Europe. He has destroyed the last fortress of democracy in Eastern Europe which stood in the way of his ambition. He has opened his way to the food, the oil and the resources which he requires in order to consolidate his military power, and he has successfully defeated and reduced to impotence the forces that might have stood against the rule of violence.”

Old Atlantic: This is exactly what we are doing in the Middle East, for decades. We were doing this in the 1980’s in Pakistan. We let Pakistan do its nuclear test in 1998. We are letting Pakistan put nukes on missiles on subs. There will be a flotilla of them off our coasts. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iran, North Korea, etc. will have them.

“I want to turn now to the cause of the crisis which we have undergone. The cause was not the existence of minorities in Czechoslovakia; it was not that the position of the Sudeten Germans had become intolerable. It was not the wonderful principle of self-determination. It was because Herr Hitler had decided that the time was ripe for another step forward in his design to dominate Europe. ”

Old Atlantic: That is what is at stake in Iraq and Afghanistan. And why we have to go for the main enemy homelands, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

” It was quite a minor matter, and I fear that the Prime Minister is deceived if he thinks that the cause of this trouble has been the woes of the Sudeten Germans. I say that the question of the Sudeten Germans has been used as a counter in the game of politics, and in other conditions Herr Hitler might just as well have used the people of Memel, the people of South Denmark, the people in the Trentino or the Germans in South Tyrol….”

“the people of South Denmark” “aye there’s the rub”.

“The history of the last seven years is the background of this crisis, and the first point I must make to the Government is this. This crisis did not come unexpectedly. It was obvious to any intelligent student of foreign affairs that this attack would Come.”

Verily I say unto you.”

He doesn’t advocate following but gives it as example of defeatism:

“You had better now make the best terms you can with Germany, enter her political orbit and give her anything to escape before the wrath comes upon you.” Realists then and now. Realists: The Art of the Defeat and Surrender.

“I heard a suggestion from the benches opposite. “What about the U.S.S.R.?” Busy with assassinations then and now. Now they do them in London with nuclear materials.

“When the National Government overthrew the whole policy of collective security and abandoned it and the League, we told this House over and over again that we were entering on a very dangerous course. We realised that we were back in 1914 with all its dangers, and we knew that sooner or later a challenge would come to this country; and that is what has happened. The real pith of it is that, having decided to leave the League system which we practised and in which we believed, and to embark on a policy of alliances and power politics, instead of strengthening the people whose natural interests were with ours, we have had nothing but constant flirtations with this and that dictator. The Prime Minister has been the dupe of the dictators, and I say that to-day we are in a dangerous position.”

Old Atlantic: Seems like then they said they were back in 1914. Now we say we are back in 1938. The more things change, the more our appeasing leaders stay the same.


“….A week ago we were on the verge of a terrible abyss. The Hon. Member for Bishop Auckland (Mr. Dalton), who has just sat down, seemed to have forgotten the position in which we were then placed. The speech that he has just made seemed to take little account of the fact that a few days ago we were within a hair’s breadth of the greatest catastrophe that the world has ever seen. Did we shrink from it in fear, or did we feel that there was some hope still of finding a path round it to more solid ground? I am fully aware that there are some hon. Members, and some people in the Country, who believe that no peace is possible in Europe as long as the dictatorships exist, who hold, quite sincerely, the view–I think the hon. Gentleman who has just sat down does–that as long as the dictatorships exist, war is inevitable, and that it may be better to have war now, when we have an issue that may be supposed to appeal to the whole world, rather than to put it off to some future date when our position may be more difficult and dangerous. …

The conclusion of such a view is to me so appalling that I could not accept it if I thought there was still some glimmer of hope that the catastrophe might yet be averted.”

Old Atlantic: A seat for him at the Hamilton Kean 9-11 Commission, Baker Hamilton Iraq Study Group, giving nukes to Russia, China, Pakistan, India, etc. This man is obviously a realist.

“The Prime Minister acted not alone as the head of the Government of which I am a member. He acted rather as the spokesman of the millions of men and women from one end of the world to the other who were determined that we should still try to keep a controlling hand upon the course of events and avoid an appalling calamity that would undoubtedly have ended in the extinction of civilisation as we have known it. . .”

How the realists use the fear of war to lead us into greater war and greater defeat.

“extinction of civilisation as we have known it.”

Old Atlantic: That is the self proclaimed goal of Islam from 622 AD to the present. That is the real Islam.

“. I go further, and I say that if we had made an ultimatum in the days immediately before the Nuremberg speech Europe would to-day have been plunged into a world war….”

Old Atlantic: We already are in a world war with the Islamic world.

“The Soviet Ambassador was received again, quite recently, at the Foreign Office, after his return to London. So much for the hon. Member’s question about our attitude towards the Soviet Republic.”

Old Atlantic: Let them sell them nukes. Let them sell them missiles. Let them undermine our negotiations with NoKo and Iran. Let them sell them night vision.

“I say with all deliberation that, when once Germany rearmed and became powerful, and when once the Anschluss took place, the strategic frontier of the republic was turned.”

Old Atlantic: Pakistan nuclear test 1998. North Korea nuclear test 2006. Iran will complete its nuclear cycle development in 2007. It will have 60,000 centrifuges. We are told it won’t be 100,000. We are told it won’t have nukes for 5 years. We are told its too late to do anything about North Korea and Pakistan’s nukes, that we should have done something 5 years ago.

“The Sudeten Germans looked to reunion with the Reich. ”

Old Atlantic: All Muslims in all lands look to be reunited in the Ummah. Muslim lands are the House of Peace. Non-Muslim lands are the House of War.

When the time comes for the verdict to be given upon the Prime Minister’s conduct,

Old Atlantic: That verdict is in. He is guilty of appeasement. Why can’t Bush, Hamilton Kean 9-11 Commission, Baker Hamilton Iraq Study Group see that?
let me tell the right hon. Gentleman that none of us here fears that verdict. I believe that the criticisms to which we have listened in the House to-day very little represent the great body of feeling. I believe the great body of our fellow-citizens not only in this country but in the Dominions and in the whole Empire, are grateful to the Prime Minister for the efforts that he has made. They are grateful to the Prime Minister for having persistently sustained the policy of peace and mediation. They do not take the view that war is inevitable. They believe that under his wise guidance we may succeed in creating a new Europe in which men and women can go about their business in peace and security.”
Old Atlantic: We already are at war. We already are being subjected to defeat by immigration. We are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan instead of island hopping to the main enemy homelands, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. We are letting them have nukes. They will be on missiles on subs off our coasts. They are going to use them on us, because they believe in Unilateral Assured Jihad, not Mutual Assured Destruction. The only destruction they assure is ours.


“Having thus fortified myself by the example of others, I will proceed to emulate them. I will, therefore, begin by saying the most unpopular and most unwelcome thing. I will begin by saying what everybody would like to ignore or forget but which must nevertheless be stated, namely, that we have sustained a total and unmitigated defeat, and that France has suffered even more than we have.


MR. CHURCHILL: When the Noble Lady cries “Nonsense,” she could not have heard the Chancellor of the Exchequer [Sir John Simon] admit in his illuminating and comprehensive speech just now that Herr Hitler had gained in this particular leap forward in substance all he set out to gain. The utmost my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister has been able to secure by all his immense exertions, by all the great efforts and mobilisation which took place in this country, and by all the anguish and strain through which we have passed in this country, the utmost he has been able to gain–[HON. MEMBERS: “Is peace.”]. I thought I might be allowed to make that point in its due place, and I propose to deal with it. The utmost he has been able to gain for Czechoslovakia and in the matters which were in dispute has been that the German dictator, instead of snatching his victuals from the table, has been content to have them served to him course by course.”

Old Atlantic: “Course by Course”. That is the fallacy of thinking of Iraq and Afghanistan as separate wars. Just like thinking ofCzechoslovakia by itself was a fallacy in 1938.

“We really must not waste time, after all this long Debate, upon the difference between the positions reached at Berchtesgaden, at Godesberg and at Munich. They can be very simply epitomised, if the House will permit me to vary the metaphor. £1 was demanded at the pistol’s point. When it was given, £2 were demanded at the pistol’s point. Finally, the dictator consented to take £1 17s. 6d. and the rest in promises of good will for the future.”

Old Atlantic: This is what realists always say, they got the best deal that could be had. The best deal that can be had is a nuclear North Korea, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, UAE, etc. with subs off our coasts.

“There never can be any absolute certainty that there will be a fight if one side is determined that it will give way completely.”

Old Atlantic: Hamilton Kean after 9-11 attack by Saudi Arabia and Pakistan support, Baker Hamilton in the face of Iran’s nuclear program. They want to give up our bases in Iraq that we need for a ground invasion of Iran. Our soldiers must fight for the same ground twice, but under worse conditions.

“All is over. Silent, mournful, abandoned, broken, Czechoslovakia recedes into the darkness. . . . No one has a right to say that the plebiscite which is to be taken in areas under Saar conditions, and the clean-cut of the 50 per cent. areas-that those two operations together amount in the slightest degree to a verdict of self-determination. It is a fraud and a farce to invoke that name….”

We are in the presence of a disaster of the first magnitude which has befallen Great Britain and France. Do not let us blind ourselves to that. It must now be accepted that all the countries of Central and Eastern Europe will make the best terms they can with the triumphant Nazi Power. The system of alliances in Central Europe upon which France has relied for her safety has been swept away, and I can see no means by which it can be reconstituted. The road down the Danube Valley to the Black Sea, the resources of corn and oil, the road which leads as far as Turkey, has been opened. In fact, if not in form, it seems to me that all those countries of Middle Europe, all those Danubian countries, will, one after another, be drawn into this vast system of power politics–not only power military politics but power economic politics–radiating from Berlin, and I believe this can be achieved quite smoothly and swiftly and will not necessarily entail the firing of a single shot. If you wish to survey the havoc of the foreign policy of Britain and France, look at what is happening and is recorded each day in the columns of the “Times…

We are talking about countries which are a long way off and of which, as the Prime Minister might say, we know nothing. [Interruption.] The noble Lady says that that very harmless allusion is–


MR. CHURCHILL: She must very recently have been receiving her finishing course in manners. What will be the position, I want to know, of France and England this year and the year afterwards? What will be the position of that Western front of which we are in full authority the guarantors? The German army at the present time is more numerous than that of France, though not nearly so matured or perfected. Next year it will grow much larger, and its maturity will be more complete.

(Old Atlantic: Russia and China arm Iran and Syria. North Korea and Iran develop nukes. Pakistan has a new nuclear reactor under way to build hundreds of smaller nukes that will fit on missiles on subs. They have a subyard the French built for them.)

Relieved from all anxiety in the East, and having secured resources which will greatly diminish, if not entirely remove, the deterrent of a naval blockade, the rulers of Nazi Germany will have a free choice open to them in what direction they will turn their eyes. If the Nazi dictator should choose to look westward, as he may, bitterly will France and England regret the loss of that fine army of ancient Bohemia which Was estimated last week to require not fewer than 30 German divisions for its destruction.

Can we blind ourselves to the great change which has taken place in the military situation, and to the dangers we have to meet?.

(Old Atlantic: Yes then, Yes now. There are always realists for that job.)
This is only the beginning of the reckoning. This is only the first sip, the first foretaste of a bitter cup which will be proffered to us year by year unless by a supreme recovery of moral health and martial vigour, we arise again and take our stand for freedom as in the olden time.”


As regards future policy, it seems to me that there are really only two possible alternatives. One of them is to base yourself upon the view that any sort of friendly relation, or possible relations, shall I say, with totalitarian States are impossible, that the assurances which have been given to me personally are worthless, that they have sinister designs and that they are bent upon the domination of Europe and the gradual destruction of democracies. Of course, on that hypothesis, war has got to come, and that is the view–a perfectly intelligible view–of a certain number of hon. and right hon. Gentlemen in this House….

If that is hon. Members’ conviction, there is no future hope for civilisation or for any of the things that make life worth living. Does the experience of the Great War and of the years that followed it give us reasonable hope that if some new war started that would end war any more than the last one did? No. I do not believe that war is inevitable. Someone put into my hand a remark made by the great Pitt about 1787, when he said:

    • To suppose that any nation can be unalterably the enemy of another is weak and childish and has its foundations neither in the experience of nations not in the history of man.

(Old Atlantic: The war with Buonaparte lasted until 1815 and he crowned himself Emperor along the way. Ahmadinejad is close to crowing himself the 12th Imam or perhaps the Mahdi.)

It seems to me that the strongest argument against the inevitability of war is to be found in something that everyone has recognized in every part of the House. That is the universal aversion from war of the people, their hatred of the notion of starting to kill one another again…. (Old Atlantic: Iran and Saudi Arabia use suicide bombers. Intifada is a method of war for them. 9-11 was a method of war.)

What is the alternative to this bleak and barren policy of the inevitability of war? In my view it is that we should seek by all means in our power to avoid war, by analysing possible causes, by trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of collaboration and good will. I cannot believe that such a programme would be rejected by the people of this country, even if it does mean the establishment of personal contact with dictators, and of talks man to man on the basis that each, while maintaining his own ideas of the internal government of his country, is willing to allow that other systems may suit better other peoples. The party opposite surely have the same idea in mind even if they put it in a different way.

(Old Atlantic: They want our destruction. They wanted it then and now. So does China.)

They want a world conference. Well, I have had some experiences of conferences, and one thing I do feel certain of is that it better to have no conference at all than a conference which is a failure.

(A surrender is a failure. Duping yourself is a failure.)

The corollary to that is that before you enter a conference you must have laid out very clearly the lines on which you are going to proceed, if you are at least to have in front of you’re a reasonable prospect that you may obtain success. I am not saying that a conference would not have its place in due course. But I say it is no use to call a conference of the world, including these totalitarian Powers, until you are sure they are going to attend, and not only that they are going to attend, but that they are going to attend with the intention of aiding you in the policy on which you have set your heart.

(Old Atlantic: Iran has made that clear: our destruction. Saudi Arabia made that clear in financing terror: our destruction. Pakistan has made that clear: building the Muslim atomic bomb, a term they invented for it.)

I am told that the policy which I have tried to describe is inconsistent with the continuance, and much more inconsistent with the acceleration of our present programme of arms.

(Old Atlantic: Clinton reduced the military from 1991 levels. In 1988 Bush Sr. made his no new taxes pledge but broke it and lost the 1992 election. He had to break it, we were at war. But Clinton reduced the military, realizing that Bush Sr had lost in 1992 because he kept the funds we needed for defense. Bush Jr. after 9-11 didn’t rebuild the military to 1991 levels and beyond. Instead he was mindful of his father’s defeat in 1992 and his own tax cut pledge and didn’t rebuild the military after 9-11. We have had over 14 years of betrayal this time. )

I am asked how I can reconcile an appeal to the country to support the continuance of this programme with the words which I used when I came back from Munich the other day and spoke of my belief that we might have peace in our time. I hope hon. Members will not be disposed to read into words used in a moment of some emotion, after a long and exhausting day, after I had driven through miles of excited, enthusiastic, cheering people–I hope they will not read into those words more than they were intended to convey.

(Old Atlantic: What were they intended to convey, except what he really thought?)

I do indeed believe that we may yet secure peace for our time, but I never meant to suggest that we should do that by disarmament, until we can induce others to disarm too.

(Old Atlantic: We don’t let Iran and North Korea get nukes while we talk peace.)

Our past experience has shown us only too clearly that weakness in armed strength means weakness in diplomacy,

(We didn’t rearm after 9-11, so Iran and North Korea and Pakistan and Saudi Arabia ignore us now.)

and if we want to secure a lasting peace, I realise that diplomacy cannot be effective unless the Consciousness exists, not here alone, but elsewhere, that behind the diplomacy is the strength to give effect ……..

I cannot help feeling that if, after all, war had come upon us, the people of this Country would have lost their spiritual faith altogether.

(Old Atlantic: This is what the Hamilton Kean 9-11 Commission felt. They lied about Saudi Arabia and Pakistan’s links to 9-11. This is what the Baker Hamilton Commission think. The reason they think this is because at bottom they despise us.)

As it turned out the other way, I think we have all seen something like a new spiritual revival,

(Old Atlantic: Actually they were already at war with the totalitarians, they just couldn’t admit it. They duped themselves.)

and I know that everywhere there is a strong desire among the people to record their readiness to serve their Country, where-ever or however their services could be most useful. I would like to take advantage of that strong feeling if it is possible, and although I must frankly say that at this moment I do not myself clearly see my way to any particular scheme, yet I want also to say that I am ready to consider any suggestion that may be made to me, in a very sympathetic spirit.

(Ground invasion of Iran. Abolish religious courts, law, police, dress, and call to prayers. Retire the judges. Surround Pakistan and make them denuke, desub, demissile, deLaden and do the same. Abolish the Islamic Republics of Afghanistan and Iraq and fight for our values. If Saudi Arabia does the same, they can avoid occupation. Strike at North Korea now and hit their missiles, naval yards, nuclear plants, airpower, etc. Stop Chinese and Indian grad students in physics coming here and getting our stealth and night vision tech and selling it to the insurgents. Start inspecting containers from China until the ships stack up across the Pacific. Be loyal to the American people. Stop immigration, all of it. You don’t teach others our technology in time of war, you teach our own young people. You don’t give them our high tech to use against our troops. That isn’t supporting our troops, its betraying them. Even Chamberlin didn’t do that in 1938.)

Finally, I would like to repeat what my right hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer said yesterday in his great speech. Our policy of appeasement

(Old Atlantic: After 9-11, we had a policy of appeasement of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. We hoped they would stop supporting the terrorism that attacked us. In fact, Pakistan says admit the Taliban have won. In fact, Saudi Arabia is funding the insurgencies in Afghanistan and Iraq. In fact, Iran is building nukes with support from Russia and China. In fact, we gave our nuclear technology to India, which immediately sold it to China.)

does not mean that we are going to seek new friends at the expense of old ones, or, in-deed, at the expense of any other nations at all. I do not think that at any time there has been a more complete identity of views between the French Government and ourselves than there is at the present time. Their objective is the same as ours–to obtain the collaboration of all nations, not excluding the totalitarian States, in building up a lasting peace for Europe. That seems to me to be a policy which would answer my hon. Friends’ appeal, a policy which should command the support of all who believe in the power of human will to control human destiny. If we cannot here this afternoon emulate the patriotic unanimity of the French Chamber, this House can by a decisive majority show its approval of the Government’s determination to pursue it.

[The vote which followed supported the government 369 to 150.]

Source: Munich: Blunder, Plot, or Tragic Necessity? edited with and introduction by Dwight E. Lee (Lexington, MA; D.C. Heath and Company, 1970), pp. 1-12 This article represents hypotheses, speculation or opinion. All other disclaimers apply.

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