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Did Obama Recite Quran AL-BAQARA (THE COW)?

March 5, 2008

Its important not to jump to conclusions. This is offered simply as another person trying to understand.

Obama has emphasized the following phrase

search “submitted myself to his will”

The following has many statements by Obama that he was never a Muslim and to say so is “vile”.

http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/11/12/obama_has_never_been_a_muslim_1.php

Obama Has Never Been A Muslim, And Is a Committed Christian

I felt I heard God’s spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth and carrying out His works.” [Speech, 6/23/07]

Barack Obama Is Not and Has Never Been a Muslim. Obama never prayed in a mosque. He has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ.

Parallel Translations of the Quran. Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch often links to this set of parallel translations.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html

The following verse is from the Quran Chapter (Surah) 2, “The Cow” or Al-Baqara (also al-Baqarah).

The same verse in parallel translations:

002.131
YUSUFALI: Behold! his Lord said to him: “Bow (thy will to Me):” He said: “I bow (my will) to the Lord and Cherisher of the Universe.”
PICKTHAL: When his Lord said unto him: Surrender! he said: I have surrendered to the Lord of the Worlds.
SHAKIR: When his Lord said to him, Be a Muslim, he said: I submit myself to the Lord of the worlds.

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Quran SHAKIR: When his Lord said to him, Be a Muslim, he said: I submit myself to the Lord of the worlds.

Quran: “When his Lord said to him, Be a Muslim,”

Obama : I felt I heard God’s spirit beckoning me.

Quran: I submit myself to the Lord of the worlds.

Obama: I submitted myself to His will.

Note the word will appears in one of the other translations.

This isn’t just anyone in the Quran either, its Abraham, or Ibrahim. This is the verse just before the one that Obama paraphrased.

002.130
YUSUFALI: And who turns away from the religion of Abraham but such as debase their souls with folly? Him We chose and rendered pure in this world: And he will be in the Hereafter in the ranks of the Righteous.
PICKTHAL: And who forsaketh the religion of Abraham save him who befooleth himself? Verily We chose him in the world, and lo! in the Hereafter he is among the righteous.
SHAKIR: And who forsakes the religion of Ibrahim but he who makes himself a fool, and most certainly We chose him in this world, and in the hereafter he is most surely among the righteous.

Chapter 27 of the Koran also contains a version of this.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/027.qmt.html

Search on submit in the above link.

Skeptics Annotated Koran

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/2/index.htm

==The phrase was used by the New York Times as well

A Candidate, His Minister and the Search for Faith – New York Times

Mr. Obama has written that when he became a Christian, he “felt God’s spirit beckoning” and “submitted myself to His will and dedicated myself to
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/us/politics/30obama.html?pagewanted=3Similar pages

A Candidate, His Minister and the Search for Faith – New York Times

Apr 30, 2007 Mr. Obama has written that when he became a Christian, he “felt God’s spirit beckoning” and “submitted myself to His will and dedicated
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==Reference Links

http://www.submission.org/convert.html

“How to Become a Muslim”

This verse is used on the page How to Become a Muslim.

So here we have it. When God showed Abraham the perfect religion, He commanded Abraham to Submit (“Aslimu”) and Abraham said “Aslamtu li rabbil aalameen”. This is how MUSLIMS (or converts) should attest their faith (or to convert);


“I SUBMIT TO THE LORD OF THE WORLDS”

The exact verse that Abraham used to convert to Islam and that is shown on this webpage on how to convert to Islam is the phrase on Barack Obama’s webpage on what he said he said.

Obama is said to have attended recitation class in Arabic to learn the Quran as a boy in school in Indonesia. He seems to have followed this form in his writings on what he says was his conversion to Christianity.

==No mention of Jesus or Christ in this “conversion”.

Obama doesn’t refer to Jesus in this phrase. Obama is talking about God in the same way a Muslim would. There is nothing specific to link this to Christianity in Obama’s verbal formulation.

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http://www.meaninglis.com/obamas-links-to-islam.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Baqara

“Discover the Truth” Quran

search Obama Muslim Kristof

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/us/politics/30obama.html?pagewanted=3

‘felt God’s spirit beckoning’

“submit myself”

“submit myself” Quran AL-BAQARA

beckons Quran

About Holy Qur’an

It is to mankind that the Qur’an speaks. It is to his salvation that the Qur’an beckons. It convinces him of the existence of the Lord Creator by turning
nicheoftruth.org/pages/quran.htm – 2

AL-BAQARAH (THE COW)

==What happened?

The following are hypotheses, they may conflict or overlap or build on each other.

  1. Obama attended recitation for the Quran as a school child and learned the Cow and how to convert to being a Muslim. This was memorized. Then he used the same phrase as an adult.
  2. He forgot that this was the Muslim formulation for conversion.
  3. He intended it as a signal to Muslims that he hadn’t really converted.
  4. He thought it sounded good.
  5. He wanted to be ecumenical. For him Islam and Christianity are the same thing almost.
  6. He considers whites to be Gullible Uncle Sams (Gus) who will pretend not to notice whatever jive they are told.
  7. He wanted to show he was smarter than whites and could con them.
  8. Obama has no real set beliefs. For him everything is a game. He plays word games. Its like Harvard Law School first year all over again.
  9. Obama flows along with no plan.
  10. Obama kicks the can down the road and relies on brilliance and white gullibility to get himself out of each scrape. He may even imagine fictional or real characters in various scenes, sort of like Reagan used lines from his movies.

If so, this sort of arrogance and fantasizing is what often leads to terrible consequences when a leader has them. This is what starts wars and other problems.

With some risk of repetition, we might also supplement the above list.

  1. Obama wanted it both ways, to be Muslim to non-Muslims and Christian to Christians.
  2. Obama just plays with words and they have no meaning. He uses phrases like “Yes we can.” For Obama the phrase is the reality, there is no reality beyond it.
  3. Obama’s life seems to him just invention and myth making. He used this phrase as part of the myth making of himself.
  4. Obama wanted something historical that would connect him to Islam and the Quran.
  5. Obama wants to draw the parallel between Ibrahim’s conversion to Islam and Obama’s own embrace of God.
  6. All Muslims want to do that, just as the Prophet Muhammad wanted to. Obama like others raised as Muslims wants to identify his coming to God with that of Prophet Muhammad, i.e. embracing Islam with the same words as the Quran uses for Ibrahim’s embrace of Islam.
  7. Obama identifies with his Kenyan Muslim family. He wanted to identify with their faith.
  8. Obama couldn’t sever his ties with his own education as a Muslim in Indonesia. This is what he truly affirms as who he is. This is what he is loyal to. This is what he looks back to as his identification.

The Founding Fathers of the United States wanted presidents who identified with the United States and the American people not Indonesia and Islam. Some may find it “racist” to say the Founding Fathers didn’t want the US president to identify with Islam, unless its meant to say the Fathers were bigots. Some liberals may even wonder why or object to the idea that the President of the United States shouldn’t identify with Indonesia as the place he was raised and his “growing up with people”.

The reason that some liberals go crazy when conservatives say Hussein, Obama’s middle name, is they reject this whole idea of an America and American people who are distinct that a person would identify with by growing up with them. That Americans are a distinct people who can be recognized as such by such things as birth and genes is not something that liberals can stand. Anything that goes in that direction sends them crazy.
==LGF Thread that helped inspire Google searches.

Hillary: Obama’s No Muslim, As Far As I Know

Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 9:46:16 am PST

Hillary Clinton is doing a classic political sleaze maneuver, saying she doesn’t believe Barack Obama is a Muslim—but still leaving the door open: Clinton Doesn’t Believe Obama is a Muslim ‘As Far as I Know’.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=29122&only&rss

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=29122_Hillary-_Obamas_No_Muslim_As_Far_As_I_Know#comments

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/lgf-showc.php?n=203&c=4943613

Posted in: Hillary: Obama’s No Muslim, As Far As I Know

#203 faraway 3/03/2008 11:12:02 am PST

re: #194 redstateredneck

He was baptized at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago.
‘I felt God’s spirit beckoning me,’ he wrote of the experience in his book ‘The Audacity of Hope.’ ‘I submitted myself to His will and dedicated myself to discovering His truth.’

Nothing about Jesus in that. Sounds more Islamic to me.

Obama told the NY Times “the Muslim call to prayer is “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth”

This comment in particular suggested to me to try to search for this phrase in Google and see if there was something like it in the Quran or Islam.

==Another thread that helped inspire this analysis

http://www.therant.us/staff/fsalvato/2008/02292008.htm

Barack Obama’s Word Games The Fifth Column Frank Salvato, Managing Editor
February 29, 2008

“Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated…Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as ‘one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.’”

For someone who wasn’t “influenced” by his “brief” stint in the Islamic faith, Mr. Obama certainly has command of a difficult language (words) and fond memories of a prayer that translated literally means,

“Allah is the Greatest, Allah is the Greatest. Allah is the Greatest, Allah is the Greatest. I bear witness that there is none worthy of worship but Allah. I bear witness that there is none worthy of worship but Allah. I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. Hasten to the Prayer, hasten to the Prayer. Hasten to real success, hasten to real success. Allah is the Greatest, Allah is the Greatest. There is none worthy of worship but Allah.”

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Its interesting to speculate on how much Hillary Clinton and/or the Clinton team knew about this before she made her comment. There is much else on the internet as well, by Steve Sailer and Daniel Pipes.

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5354

Confirmed: Barack Obama Practiced Islam
by Daniel Pipes
FrontPageMagazine.com
January 7, 2008

Sailer was early onto Obama’s issues

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2007/03/sailer-on-obama.html

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The attacks on those who said Barack Hussein Obama may have been misguided? They may owe an apology, for example John McCain to Bill Cunningham?

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http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/opinion/06kristof.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

“I was a little Jakarta street kid,” he said in a wide-ranging interview in his office (excerpts are on my blog, www.nytimes.com/ontheground). He once got in trouble for making faces during Koran study classes in his elementary school, but a president is less likely to stereotype Muslims as fanatics — and more likely to be aware of their nationalism — if he once studied the Koran with them.

Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”

Our biggest mistake since World War II has been a lack of sensitivity to other people’s nationalism, from Vietnam to Iraq. Perhaps as a result of his background, Mr. Obama has been unusually sensitive to such issues and to the need to project respect rather than arrogance. He has consistently shown great instincts.

Maybe Obama is a case in point. Maybe Obama has nationalisms different than ours. Perhaps he identifies with the Black Nationalism of Reverend Wright’s Church. Or perhaps Obama identifies with third world nationalism or perhaps he identifies with the Somali Muslim relatives he has in Kenya as Steve Sailer and others have been commenting on. One of those is:

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/03/kenyan-tribe-rages-at-hillary.html

==Critics of those saying Obama is or may be Muslim:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200703200011

http://mediamatters.org/items/200803030009

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Obama “never practiced”

It appears false to state, as Obama does, “I’ve always been a Christian” and “I’ve never practiced Islam.” The campaign appears to be either ignorant or fabricating when it states that “Obama never prayed in a mosque.”

Daniel Pipes

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=656B62BA-7A61-4DF8-BDF7-B3937EFDECB4

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The MSM and elites can’t stand the working class in general and the white working class in particular. When the white working class says that Obama is a Muslim, the elites simply go crazy. They lose the ability to engage in rational analysis.

However, the working class tends to focus on what they observe rather than invent elaborate theories and ideologies. When they say something its usually because they see it. The elites often consider direct fact observations by the working class expressed without obfuscation as racist. This is despite the elites seeing the same thing at those times when they have to observe what the working class sees every day and has to deal with to survive.

Because of this, the elites can’t recognize reality. They go around saying its racist for the working class to say what they see every day and know is true.

Obama being Muslim when he was a child and still playing cutesy with it today is something the elites won’t recognize because it means recognizing the working class see reality about race and religion. The elites can only mythologize the non-white working class fighting prejudice. They can’t identity with the white working class saying what it sees.

This is why we had 9-11-2001. The World Trade Center was bombed in 1993 by Muslim radicals. The elites denied it at the time. They should have stopped Muslim immigration then.

Obama is the darling of the college and even more graduate school educated elites. They mythologize him and Islam. For them, Christianity is part of working class white prejudice anyhow. They can’t recognize the reality about Obama, that he is just playing white America for what its worth. That is Obama’s whole life. That is the life that the elites have structured for him and his wife. Its a life based on affirmative action lies. The elites can’t admit that. The working class know it every day.

This is why Obama reciting the Quran to say he is Christian has and will continue to go unreported by the MSM. They will be calling working class whites prejudiced bigots even after its published on the internet that Obama was reciting the Quran.

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search ” I SUBMIT MYSELF ” Muslim

” I SUBMIT MYSELF TO THE LORD OF THE WORLDS”.

http://english.bayynat.org.lb/FridaySpeeches/ke08072005.htm

To be a Muslim is to say like Prophet Ibrahim When his Lord said to him, Be a Muslim, he said: I submit myself to the Lord of the worlds.

Obama

I felt I heard God’s spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth and carrying out His works.

http://www.barackobama.com/2007/06/23/a_politics_of_conscience_1.php

http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/11/12/obama_has_never_been_a_muslim_1.php

On this page, Obama makes these headlines for a paragraph:

Obama “Beckoning” Felt At Trinity United Church Of Christ, “Submitted Myself To His Will, And Dedicated Myself To Discovering His Truth And Carrying Out His Works.”

I felt I heard God’s spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth and carrying out His works.” [Speech, 6/23/07]

Barack Obama Is Not and Has Never Been a Muslim. Obama never prayed in a mosque. He has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ.

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