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Christians and Jews in Turkey in 20th Century

November 28, 2006

New York Times articles reported the Turkish genocide on November 12 1914 and January 11, and January 13, 1915. Pdf of NY Times articles.

From January 13, 1915 New York Times:

“Talaat Bey, the Minister of the Interior, has stated to the Councillor of the Greek Patriarchate that in Turkey henceforth there will be room only for Turks. While he was profuse in assurance to the Greek Minister regarding the cessation of anti- Greek persecutions, no real amelioration of the situation is perceptible.”

Now the Turkish government is “profuse in its assurances” to the EU, the Pope, and to those stout defenders of Americans and Christians, C. Rice and George Bush that they have stopped anti-Christian persecutions. This is because there are so few Christians to persecute, that it hardly counts compared to the numbers before?

New York Times coverage of September 11, 2001.

9-11 Report and articles

9-11 5 years later

NY Times 1914, 1915 repeat of above link

bin Laden’s 1996 Fatwa and Declaration of War on America.

“The latest and the greatest of these aggressions, incurred by the Muslims since the death of the Prophet (ALLAH’S BLESSING AND SALUTATIONS ON HIM) is the occupation of the land of the two Holy Places -the foundation of the house of Islam, the place of the revelation, the source of the message and the place of the noble Ka’ba, the Qiblah of all Muslims- by the armies of the American Crusaders and their allies.”

Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose.

Is this now true of France, Denmark, London, Dearborn, Washington, etc?

“…no real amelioration of the situation is perceptible.”

That is care of Bush, Blair, Rice, 9-11 Commission of Hamilton Kean, the Iraq Study Group of Baker Hamilton, Democrats, Republicans, MSM, profs, etc.

“…no real amelioration of the situation is perceptible.”

For Christians in Turkey from 1914 to the 2006 Pope Visit.

For the West after 9-11.

Population of Anatolia 1915 before Genocide Ottoman Official records

Muslims were 5.6 million, total population was 9.1 million. So 3.5 million were non-Muslim. So the genocides or suppression of Christians, Jews and others by the Muslims was really about getting rid of about 40 percent of the population.

Genocide is about getting rid of the people, if we can coin a Yogi Berraism. The Muslims wanted to get rid of 40 percent of the population. This was to take the land, houses, businesses, and money of the victims.

It was a delayed completion of the conquests in previous centuries.

According to the following source, the Muslims killed 3.5 to 4.3 million Christians between 1900 and 1923 in Turkey.

Statistics Of Turkey’s Democide Estimates, Calculations, And Sources” By R.J. Rummel.
Demographics of Turkey

Christian Genocide Minor Asia webpage

Reference on 1942 Tax Law

Unpleasant Genocide Arithmetic

If the population is stable and one group is given an advantage so that its net growth rate is higher than a second group, then the second group will go extinct.

Proof:

In equilibrium the average growth rate is zero. So if one group is above the other in growth rate, it must be above zero and the second group must be below zero. So the second group goes extinct.

Islam is about giving its members advantage over others. So over time Islam is genocide of non-Muslims. Islam was developed in 622 AD when times were hard. This was the Dark Ages. Some think a volcano was responsible for it, but it was a harsh time of scarcity. Islam was designed to give its members a leg up in that time of scarcity over non-Muslims. So Islam is a religion of genocide in population biology terms.

search Christians Turkey 1914

ISHR Christians in Turkey

Holy Land Foundation shut down after 9-11.

Comments at Jihadwatch.org

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Second article quotations below. (first article is also interesting on confiscations of non Muslim foundations in Turkey. They still haven’t returned them as required by the EU.)

“September 5, 2005

WORLDWIDE TAX OVERVIEW
by Cathy Phillips, editor of Tax Notes International ”

“On the morning of November 12, 1942, the citizens of Turkey woke up to the most draconian wealth tax ever envisaged. While the tax in theory applied to the entire predominantly Muslim nation, in practice much of its burden rested with the minority Christian and Jewish communities who primarily resided in Istanbul, formerly known as Constantinople. Neither the rate of taxation nor the taxable base and its derivation were made public.”

“Tax assessments were arrived at in secret, and individuals were directed to settle their government assessed liabilities within two weeks, without any appeal provisions in place. The penalty for Christians and Jews who failed to do so within a month was deportation to forced labor camps in eastern Turkey in addition to having their property confiscated. The tax was initially also extended to Christian and Jewish schools, as well as to churches and synagogues, but not to Muslim institutions, because they were owned or funded by the government.”

Formatting of tables is better in the original.

” Table 1: Statutory Tax Rates

Provision Applied to Applied to
Rate on wartime profit Muslim Turks Non-Muslims
12.5 percent 50.0 percent
Additional tax zero Up to 50 percent of personal wealth

Source: Faik Okte, The Tragedy of the Turkish Capital Tax.”

“In an otherwise officially secular state, taxpayers were classified as Muslim and non-Muslim, denoted with the letters M and G, respectively./2/ The latter included Jews and Christians, including Armenians and Greeks. Assyrian Orthodox Christians also fell in that class. An additional class of taxpayers were the Donme, denoted by D. The Donme were Jews whose ancestors had converted to Islam in the 17th century./3/ Like the Jews and Christians, the Donme were taxed at rates higher than those that applied to Muslims.”

“able 3: Tax Assessments of Minority Institutions

Christian and Jewish Institutions/*/ Number Assessment (TRL)
Schools 88 227,550
Churches and Synagogues 27 119,200
Hospitals 7 86,750

/*/ Zero assessment for Muslim institutions, which numbered in the thousands.

Source: Faik Okte, The Tragedy of the Turkish Capital Tax.”

“Table 4: Effective Tax Rates by Religious and Ethnic Affiliations

Merchants by Affiliation Tax Rates (percent)
Muslim 4.94
Greek Orthodox 156.00
Jewish 179.00
Christian Armenian 232.00

Source: C.L. Sulzberger, “Turkish Tax Kills Foreign Business,”
The New York Times, Sept. 11, 1943.”

Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 28, 2006 08:07 AM

Reference on above 1942 Tax Law


Population of Anatolia 1915 before Genocide Ottoman Official records

Muslims were 5.6 million, total population was 9.1 million. So 3.5 million were non-Muslim. So the genocides or suppression of Christians, Jews and others by the Muslims was really about getting rid of them.

It was a delayed completion of the conquests in previous centuries.
Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 28, 2006 08:36 AM..

New York Times coverage of September 11, 2001.

9-11 Report and articles

9-11 5 years later

NY Times 1914, 1915 repeat of above link

Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose.

bin Laden’s Fatwa compared to Talaat Bey in 1914 saying Turkey for Turks only.


bin Laden’s 1996 Fatwa and Delcaration of War against America.

“The latest and the greatest of these aggressions, incurred by the Muslims since the death of the Prophet (ALLAH’S BLESSING AND SALUTATIONS ON HIM) is the occupation of the land of the two Holy Places -the foundation of the house of Islam, the place of the revelation, the source of the message and the place of the noble Ka’ba, the Qiblah of all Muslims- by the armies of the American Crusaders and their allies.”

Repeat of

From January 13, 1915 New York Times:

“Talaat Bey, the Minister of the Interior, has stated to the Councillor of the Greek Patriarchate that in Turkey henceforth there will be room only for Turks. While he was profuse in assurance to the Greek Minister regarding the cessation of anti-Greek persecutions, no real amelioration of the situation is perceptible.”

Is this now true of France, Denmark, London, Dearborn, Washington, etc?

“…no real amelioration of the situation is perceptible.”

That is care of Bush, Blair, Rice, 9-11 Commission of Hamilton Kean, the Iraq Study Group of Baker Hamilton, Democrats, Republicans, MSM, profs, etc.

Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 28, 2006 10:22 AM

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With respect to my colleague Limes in this case, sometimes you can extrapolate. “Mathematical models might be useful five or ten years out, but don’t extrapolate decades into the future. The unsustainable never is.”


98 percent of Turkey is Muslim today


Ottoman Empire 40 percent Christian 1915

So the Christian population went from 40 percent in 1915 to less than 2 percent today.

So with respect to my colleague, what turned out to be unsustainable in Turkey was Christian life.

“On December 21, 1995, Bethlehem became one of the areas under the full control of the Palestinian Authority. It is capital of the Bethlehem district. The current population of the town is about 40,000. The Christian population is no longer the majority, but a special statute requires that the mayor and a majority of the municipal council must nevertheless be Christian.”

“Bethlehem’s former mayor, Hanna Nasser, says an estimated 2,000 Christians in Bethlehem have emigrated during the period of 2000 – 2003. Fifty years ago, Bethlehem was overwhelmingly Christian. Today, it has a Muslim majority.”


Bethlehem wiki
There is a need to understand the genocides and forced deportations against Christians and Jews in the entire Middle East in the 20th and 21s centuries.

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http://civoc.com/newsline/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=9

Posted by: Arnie [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 28, 2006 10:44 AM The above is from CNN and the gentle lady from Lebanon, a Chrisian, tells how Hezbollah is taking over. They have large families, drive out the Christians to take their lands for their families and then vote themselves in power. Terrorists are in the government of Lebanon, which was once Christian.

This is what happens. It is happening in America, England, Denmark, France, Germany , Norway, Russia, Spain, Sweden, etc.

This is happening to us now. We must stop immigration. Critics say, it hasn’t happened to us already. Then when it does, if they were here, they would say its too late to do anything. This is what they say about immigration, and nukes in North Korea, Pakistan and Iran. They will let Saudi Arabia and UAE get nukes. They let Russia and China get nukes and the left even gave them the secrets.

They invented Mutual Assured Destruction after the fact to make it sound logical. This was to cover up betrayal. The Ph.D.’s at RAND who made up MAD were covering up the espionage by Russia still going on.

The people justifying nukes for Pakistan, Iran and North Korea today are the same leftists anti-Westerners who covered up communist subversion in the 1940’s and 1950’s and let Russia get the bomb. They said it was ok, it was MAD. Russia will be 50 percent Muslim in 50 years or less.

When they use those nukes on us, will it have made sense to have let Russia get nukes in the 1940’s? The professors lied and betrayed us in the 1940’s just as they do today. Harvard, Princeton, University of Chicago, Berkeley, Stanford, Yale, etc. were covering up espionage then and are betraying us now.

The Christians in Turkey went from 40 percent in 1915 to 2 percent or less in 2006. This is what happens when we listen to the liars and West haters on the Left. We have to fight, not let our politicians, profs and MSM betray us. They can’t think beyond today’s headline. We must. We must act. We must tell them to stop immigration totally. We must denuke NoKo and Pakistan and stop it in Iran and Saudi Arabia. These are enemy homelands funding invasion of us by immigration.

This is real. This is what history is. Civilizations fall. Ethnic groups go extinct. You either face up to reality and do something about it or you disappear from the planet. That is what the Left has wanted since Marx.

We need to stop immigration, give our young adults economic security from no immigration and let them get married, have big families and stay married. That comes from job security. Job security comes from no immigration.

Immigration was started in Europe in the 1950’s. In the US in 1965. In both cases, it killed job security for the young. In both cases it brought the population rate below replacement We need to support young adults with job security and end every type of immigration. This includes H1B, family reunification, asylum, etc.

We need to stop the genocide of Christians in Lebanon and the Middle East and support them. We need to say that this genocide of Christians is what Islam is about from the beginning and is now. Islam was an ideology developed in 622 AD during the Dark Ages to justify taking Christian lands and subjugating them so that their population would decline over time.

Now Islam is on the march again, during a time of demographic stress created by their own birth rates. Their birth rates make their lands unlivable so they have to invade ours. We do nothing but allow it. The Left and the betrayers like McCain, Kennedy, Bush, etc. want this to happen to us. They lied during the 1965 Immigration Act and said it wouldn’t change anything. They lied then and lie now. They want our demographic democide. They work for it and lie to our faces.

Democide happened in Turkey. The Christians went from 40 percent in 1915 to under 2 percent in 2006. This is happening now in the US and Europe. Its reality. We must stop immigration now. This includes family reunification, lottery, waiting in line, etc.

Robert Spencer Jihad Watch: Pope Rage in Istanbul Comments

Limes and Malinois are right, if we respond. If we wait for the invisible hand to stop immigration completely, not just a token amount, then it will happen.

We have to be politically active. We have to persuade. We have to write to Congressman and Senators. It doesn’t happen by itself.

Once we project our exctinction, and anticipate it will happen if we don’t change, then we still have to act based on that expectation. If no change means we go extinct, and we don’t actually change it, then we do go extinct.

Immigration causes extinction of all the genes in a country, and on a rolling basis every annual cohort of immigrants.

See
Unpleasant Immigration Arithmetic


and more at this search on “Unpleasant Immigration Arithmetic”

We also have to denuke Pakistan and Iran, and support the Christians in Lebanon, Africa, etc.

Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 28, 2006 11:53 AM

“Unpleasant Immigration Arithmetic” is a mathematical theorem. If the assumption of sustained immigration is true, the consequence that genes go extinct follows. This applies to everyone here, and everyone who comes in any given year.

Each cohort of everyone here, including those newly arrived, has its genetic survival ratio asymptote to zero if immigration continues.

To avoid the consequences of the mathematical theorem, the assumption has to be completely avoided. Reducing immigration doesn’t avoid the assumption. Immigration has to be zero. Close doesn’t work. Its a theorem.

Limes and Malinois have said if we change things, the consequences won’t happen that will happen if we don’t change them. But we have to actually change immigration to zero, not just reduce it a lot.

Posted by: Old Atlantic [TypeKey Profile Page] at November 28, 2006 12:48 PM

 

 


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