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Can Jews reconcile with Whites? A program to consider.

October 20, 2010

Can Jews reconcile with Whites? Is it possible? Are Jews by their nature alienated from Whites and unable to resist trying to undermine White control of White countries?

The following would be a possible program for Jews to adopt to show they can reconcile with Whites.

==Reconciliation Program of Jews with White Christians. Jews would adopt the following:

America would become a White Christian country.

All persons would swear loyalty to America as a White Christian country.

Whites would maintain voting control of America regardless of their numbers.

End non-White immigration, student visas, family reunification, asylum, refugees, guest workers, Agjobs, etc.

Start process of blacks, Latinos and Asians returning to their own continents. Acknowledge they already have the largest continents and don’t need ours and that their taking ours is ethnic cleansing.

Support return of Muslims and non-Whites in Europe, Canada, Australia and New Zealand to their home continents.

Acknowledge that the White Race is the result of unique evolution and that it must not be permitted to be lost in mixing with the other races. Acknowledge such mixing is itself a crime against humanity and a crime against evolution.

Segregation of schools, prisons and the military by race and religion.

Declare Islam not a religion and require Muslims to leave. All mosques would be forfeit.

End anchor baby.

Acknowledge and teach in the schools that Whites had to take measures to protect themselves.

Support the return of White rule and Apartheid for South Africa.

Break up the large banks and make the banks small. This could mean state or regional banking.

Restore Ivy League and 19th century colleges to be White Christian colleges. The Ivy League should specifically uphold White Protestant America. They would be majority Founding Stock Americans in students and faculty and over 90 percent White Christian students and faculty.

End affirmative action.

Segregate the military. The military academies would be White Christian academies.

Allow freedom to study and write about Jews (and others) and their role in history and to maintain any position about them or others.

Allow free commenting about the role of Jews or other groups without having comments deleted or losing jobs or being subjected to persecution or fear because of it.

==end of program

The above program would show that Jews were loyal to White Christian America. If Jews were to adopt this program, then reconciliation would likely happen, especially starting from the current situation.

In fact, Jews are opposed to almost every one of these positions. This is true of Jewish organizations and with rare exceptions, Jews themselves oppose most of them is a reasonable working hypothesis.

Jews have worked and contributed money and time and even been killed in the 1960’s in the South to undermine and reverse White Christian America and take away everyone of the freedoms and rights listed above from White Christian America. Jews have contributed fanatics to the causes of taking away these freedoms and rights from Whites which amounts constructively (or deconstructively) to taking away America from Whites.

Jews have also used their opportunities as lawyers, judges, legislators, aides, professors, staffers, etc. to undermine White Christian America and take away the rights and freedoms listed above from White Christians. This has amounted to a program of dispossession ending in ethnic cleansing of White Christian America.

Jews have supported dispossession of White Christian America and are now among the leaders in supporting its ultimate conclusion of genocide of White Christians by race replacement substitution. This now means the loss of Social Security and Medicare to White Christians and leaving them destitute in a country they founded and let be taken from them.

One could say that Jews have long since decided which side they were on in this struggle. It is a war since its outcome is the dispossession and ethnic cleansing of a people of their country. Jews have supported that dispossession and ethnic cleansing of Whites and have furnished some of its most important leaders.

Jews openly lead for all these rights and freedoms to be lost forever to Whites. That Jews have taken a side and it is against White Christians is thus a fact at the present time. Whether Jews can switch or not is open to debate, but that they have chosen the side against White Christians is a fact already determined.

It would take a monumental reverse of direction for Jews to switch sides from being for White Christian dispossession ending in the ethnic cleansing going on now to being for White Christians and to stop and reverse the dispossession and ethnic cleansing of White Christians. Being on the side of White Christians does not mean finishing them off slowly or the status quo but reversing it along the lines of the list given above. That is what it would mean for Jews to reconcile with White Christians.

Note that no reconciliation between White Christians and Jews is possible as long as Jews oppose the right of White Christians to speak openly about Jews. That includes Rick Sanchez and others. If Jews oppose freedom of speech for White Christians to state their grievances with Jews and their perception of the role of Jews in the dispossession and ethnic cleansing of White Christians, then Jews have already ended the possibility of reconciliation and of ever being on the side of White Christians or for the restoration of White Christian America.

Reconciliation can openly come from open dialogue between White Christians and Jews. If Jews response to such dialogue is to simply shout anti-Semite and threaten jobs and doing business, then they have already closed off reconciliation. That approach to dialogue by Jews is not approaching reconciliation with a serious intent, but simply continuing the dispossession and ethnic cleansing of White Christians. This is what we have now from Jews. This shows that as of now, Jews are still pushing dispossession of Whites and the ethnic cleansing of Whites now underway.



Frum is feeling the heat from his irrelevance. He now acknowledges the multicult has failed in Germany.

Of course, the Frumbag is half empty because he still doesn’t say stop immigration and reverse it. Maybe its 2/3 empty. He could also say to stop and reverse it here too. So maybe its mostly empty.


Jeez, what a moron you are. Frum has been against mass immigration and multiculturalism for the last two decades. He writes anti-immigration articles that could be published at, if they didn’t have his name on the byline. Obviously he’s not in there with Alternative Right, but he’s very clearly anti-immigration.

You’re so dumb you’re not even lying when you spout this nonsense. I guess that’s something you can be proud of.

The following are some comments at Alternative Right by OA and a short quote from one by Aaron on David Frum.

“Frum has been against mass immigration and multiculturalism for the last two decades. ” Aaron.

Can you cite an article from 1990 where he opposed mass immigration? Bush Sr. increased immigration in 1990. Did Frum oppose that?

“Public Law 101-649 (Act of November 29, 1990), which increased the limits on legal immigration to the United States” From USCIS. Nov 29, 1990 is within 20 years going back. That falls within your window. So you should be able to find an article by Frum opposing that act.

” How I Rethought Immigration
One Man’s Confessions
By David Frum | National Review
Monday, June 25, 2007 ”

“The last time America debated amnesty for illegal aliens, I was on the other side. The year was 1986. I was a student at law school and an occasional contributor to this magazine. I believed then that immigration was a great thing, the more the better. ”

In September 2010 there was a CIS conference on immigration where Frum spoke.
Transcript and video here:

Search on “Can Conservatism Survive Mass Immigration” to find out more on it. One hit is here at Vdare:

“Based on the good things Frum and Ponnuru said towards the beginning of their remarks, it is clear that they understand that mass immigration poses a huge threat to this country. But not only are they unwilling to fight for this country, they are undermining and attacking those who do. ”


As long as Jews continue to throw at us anti-Semite when we discuss our views of them and their actions, we know they are not interested in reconciliation but are still pursuing our dispossession and ethnic cleansing. When Jews seek to take away our right to have a side in the dialogue, we know by that alone that it is not a reconciliation dialogue but the continuation of our dispossession and ethnic cleansing. That is what we have now.

== More at Alt Right with Aaron


That 2007 article is probably the main source. I’m not going to go reread it or reread any other article now. I didn’t follow the VDARE links, but I do remember a very tendentious and dishonest article there by Sam Francis about something Frum wrote on immigration, I think in National Review. Francis and others at VDARE obviously had an ax to grind for Frum (justifiably). They smeared him as he smeared them. You can’t take their word on this any more than you can take Frum’s word in “Unpatriotic Conservatives”.


OA reply to Aaron:

Thank you for your constructive comment. The article Unpatriotic Conservatives is here:


In 1991 Pat Buchanan had accused the neoconservatives of enforcing the “limits of permissible dissent.” The paleocons were now defying those limits with ever-increasing gusto and boldness.

“The civilization that we as whites created in Europe and America could not have developed apart from the genetic endowments of the creating people.” — SAMUEL FRANCIS, SPEECH AT THE AMERICAN RENAISSANCE CONFERENCE, MAY 1994

OF all the limits against which the paleoconservatives chafed, the single most irksome was the limit placed by civilized opinion upon overtly racialist speech. Francis’s speech at the 1994 conference of the white-supremacist American Renaissance organization, for example, ultimately cost him his job as a staff columnist at the Washington Times.

end quote


This is how Frum ends that piece:


There is, however, a fringe attached to the conservative world that cannot overcome its despair and alienation. The resentments are too intense, the bitterness too unappeasable. Only the boldest of them as yet explicitly acknowledge their wish to see the United States defeated in the War on Terror. But they are thinking about defeat, and wishing for it, and they will take pleasure in it if it should happen.

They began by hating the neoconservatives. They came to hate their party and this president. They have finished by hating their country.

War is a great clarifier. It forces people to take sides. The paleoconservatives have chosen — and the rest of us must choose too. In a time of danger, they have turned their backs on their country. Now we turn our backs on them.

end Quote

That seems a definite taking sides by Frum. Who is the fringe and who decides who is the fringe?

Frum’s answer is that Canadian Frum is the center of America and that White Christians with an explicit White Christian identity and advocacy are the fringe. Pat Buchanan whose ancestors fought in the civil war is unpatriotic fringe and Frum turns his back on Pat Buchanan and all those Buchanan represents.


Sailer on Frum on immigration, Whites and pro-White advocates:

Frum hates Whites. Frum hates Whites who advocate for White rights and the right of Whites to keep their lands. Frum opposes the idea of Whites with White identity possessing America as theirs.

This amounts to opposing the survival of a people or race of Whites who have a self aware and expressed White identity possessing the country in their own name.


Sephardi leader Yosef: Non-Jews exist to serve Jews

October 18, 2010

JERUSALEM (JTA) — Israeli Sephardic leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosef in his weekly Saturday night sermon said that non-Jews exist to serve Jews.

“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world; only to serve the People of Israel,” he said during a public discussion of what kind of work non-Jews are allowed to perform on Shabbat.

“Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat,” he said to some laughter.

Is he afraid he will lose his job? Does he have to apologize. Ask Rick Sanchez. Ask Derek Fenton. Ask James Weinstein who fired Fenton. Ask Jonathan Klein who fired Lou Dobbs.

At 10/19/2010 6:32 PM, Anonymous Chris said…

Former Chief Sephardic Rabbi last week: “Goyim were born only to serve us.”

This isn’t some obscure nut in a basement but one of the most influential spiritual leaders in Israel.

Israel requires a loyalty oath to Israel as a Democratic Jewish state.

Note that Frum in effects calls Whites who are pro-White racist and White supremacist. Others will call them anti-Semitic. The above program might be called anti-Semitic by many Jews. This just shows that a reconciliation dialogue is not even possible. Israel has a loyalty oath for non-Jews and yet to discuss a loyalty oath to White Christian America while White Christians are dispossessed and ethnically cleansed is racist or White supremacist or anti-Semitic, assuming such a criticism is mounted.


David Frum acolyte and Neocon John Avlon attacks extremist Tea Baggers

February 8, 2010

This is the crowd that carries the signs comparing Obama to Hitler and communists, while proclaiming themselves patriots. Their extremism will ultimately lead the movement to self-destruct unless it is clearly repudiated.

Actually, this is the Tea Party and they need to clearly repudiate Dick Armey, white race replacement and John Avlon.

Neocon and Rudi race replacer Giuliani acolyte John Avlon vents hatred at the real core of the Tea Party movement whom he calls the fringe.  Every advice he gives to the Tea Party should be reversed.  Avlon is anti Tea Party just like Dick Armey.

While Tax Day 2009 Tea Parties attracted some 300,000 people nationwide, this convention accommodated just 600 people, who paid nearly $500 each for the privilege of attending the populist conference.

600 times 500 dollars is 300,000 dollars.  Sarah Palin got 100,000 dollars.  How much did George Washington get for attending the Continental Congress?   How much did Thomas Jefferson get for writing the Declaration of Independence?  At these rates, its time to repudiate Sarah Palin as the same sort of leech as neocons, whose philosophy she happens to share.  The Tea Party should not pay Neocon Welfare.

Frum-ling Avalon records the horror of extremists at the Tea Party

Former congressman Tom Tancredo accused the president of being a “committed socialist ideologue” and proposed a civic literacy test for voting.

WorldNet Daily founder Joseph Farah used his post-dinner speech, covered by C-Span, to repeat inane “Birther” claims.

Alabama gubernatorial candidate and former state Supreme Court chief justice Roy Moore said Obama had “ignored our history and our heritage, arrogantly declaring to the world that we are no longer a Christian nation.”

For the Tea Party momentum to continue in a constructive way, it will need to take at least two further steps: First, repudiate the unhinged Obama-haters and then focus its anger at fiscal irresponsibility into policy proposals instead of bumper-sticker platitudes.

The Tea Party movement is not unhinged Obama-haters.  This is a Neocon Lie from the practitioners of the Big Lie.

Ten years ago, before the Bush/Cheney/Rove/DeLay-era, centrist Republican congressmen and mayors dotted the Northeast – and only two states north of (and including) Pennsylvania had Democratic governors.  Today, they are an endangered species.  The phrase “urban Republican” – an idea once embodied by Rudy Giuliani and Steve Goldsmith – sounds more and more like an oxymoron.

Wasn’t that the Frum Axis of Evil Neocons Era as well?  Neocons who invited the world to race replace whites in America, Europe, Canada and Australia?  Who can’t see White Farm Murders in South Africa as the terrorism that never dies?

Manhattan Institute neocon

David Frum Bill Moyers dismiss whites in town hall meetings

August 14, 2009

David Frum on Bill Moyers.  Moyers show was a hatefest against whites in town hall meetings.  They both want to take medicare away from them.  Moyers then ends the show with a tear jerker scence of a Hispanic and then working class white who can’t pay health bills.  Its the Latino immigration that Frum and Moyers have pushed that has taken away health care from the working class white woman. She says you should get health care even if you make 20,000 a year.

Men’s median wages are the same as in 1973.  Women’s what men’s were in 1963.  It was the Bush Sr. immigration increase in 1990 that stopped women’s wages converging towards men.  Before that women’s labor force participation rate and the ratio of women’s wages to men went up together.  Employers had to pay women more to get a higher percentage of women to work.  The labor force participation rate of men has fallen as well since 1948 when BLS starts its stats.

Without immigration, men and women would easily be making more than 5000 a year more which would pay for health insurance.  That 20k job would be closer to a 40k job and that would pay for health care and more.  California wouldn’t be going bankrupt.  they wouldn’t be paying for the bailout of mortgages of Hispanics.   Wall Street bonuses wouldn’t be so high because income inequality would be less.  Frum and Moyers have pushed for hurting that woman every step of the way.

The real hate is not the whites in town hall meetings. The real hate is Bill Moyers and David Frum for whites.   Immigration is genocide, its a mathematical theorem.  Both are for it.  Genocide means things get worse.  You don’t get good health care from genocide.

We investigated various cases of the island model with stochastic migration. If the population is infinite, the immigrants have a fixed gene frequency and the alleles are neutral, the gene frequency on the island converges to that of the immigrants.

That is the Democratic Frum Obama health care plan.  Its a theorem that it causes genocide.  The way to help old whites and working class young whites is stop immigration.  That’s the only way they avoid genocide.  But that is what Frum and Moyers have always opposed.  Their fruits show they hate those whites.  They do want to take their country away from them.

See this Daily Show excerpt at the new blog A Nation of Cowards, which is very good for the interests of white people.

Men and women’s median wages graph page 19:

Men’s labor force participation rate from 1973 at 75.5 to 68.5 in 2008 and even lower now.  SEe Table page 2 of

During that period 1973 to now, Moyers and Frum have advocated the immigration that kept white wages down and took health care away from whites.   By their fruits ye shall know them.  They hate whites.  They have hated them for over 30 years while pretending to be fore them.

They have taken their country from them.  Not surprisingly that involves making their lives worse.   Now they call those whites they were “helping” by immigration haters for not wanting to give up their health insurance to the non-whites Frum and Moyers brought here to keep their wages down and take their health care from them.

Frum and Moyers are two haters whose time has gone if we can wake up like those speaking up at the town hall.   What they have is righteous anger against liars like Frum, Moyers and Specter (SPECTRE SPecial Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion).  That sums up their motives and methods exactly.

What has Frum and Moyers together spewing out their hatred of us calling us haters?  Moyers show said that town meetings are where representatives of Congress speak to the people.  That is an inversion.  They don’t represent Congress.  But they don’t represent us either.  They represent Frum and Moyers.   They fear we are starting to rise up against them:

They have spewed their hatred of us for decades.   They are afraid of reaping what they have sewn.   (This blog doen’t advocate violence and this blog doesn’t tolerate that.)  But like DHS leaders who have brought immigrants here to ethnically cleanse us they are speaking up about their fears of us.  They fear us because they have planned our genocide.

They aren’t giving us better health care, they are taking away our health care.  Just like they took away jobs from men from 1973 to 2009.  Why did they need immigration while men’s employment to population ratio was falling?  Because they intended our genocide.

We investigated various cases of the island model with stochastic migration. If the population is infinite, the immigrants have a fixed gene frequency and the alleles are neutral, the gene frequency on the island converges to that of the immigrants.

Posted at  The truth is on the government web pages.  The whole truth.  Jobs they took them from us.  Wages they took them from us for themselves.  The land they took it from us.  Our genes they are eliminating.  This proves Frum and Moyers hate us.  It proves Congress hates us.  It proves Pelosi hates us.  It proves Boehner hates us.  They all do.  They have hated us and despised us as fools and cowards for decades.

Birmingham Riots, open ethnic cleansing of whites by the immigrants:

They think they can genocide us there and we won’t notice it here.  Its the same plan everywhere.  We are the same people everywhere.  They are the same enemies everywhere.   They have the same hate for us everywhere.  They call us the same names everywhere.

Frum and Moyers were so upset that Obama was called a Nazi.  They call us Nazis.  We are forgetting our place in their scheme.

This video at Sarah Maid of Albion shows the progression from WWII when we fought back to now when we don’t.

Frum and Moyers are quaking in their boots that we are going to get our pride back and start fighting back against the genocide they have brought upon us.  Frum and Moyers are afraid that the people are rising up before its too late.

More on the Birmingham anti-white riots

That is what Frum and Moyers have planned for us.  Health care “reform” is the same as Birmingham “reform”.  Its out with the white in with the new.  But whites may be waking up too early from the lies that Frum and Moyers have spewed for decades.   The lies of hate that they have spewed against whites.  They were venting tonight on Bill Moyers Journal of Hating Whites.

You can watch it and transcripts will be out at some point.

The first part they criticize Congressmen and Senators for letting downtrodden whites speak on equal terms in town halls where the whites voices could be heard.  They actually said the Congress lost control because the whites voices could be heard in the whole room without a microphone instead of being dominated by the microphone of Congress.

The TV press is telling Congress do like we do.  Cut them off. Don’t let them be heard.  They said that the whites could be heard on the video and tapes of the town halls and that was the mistake of Congress.  Its like a Soviet party meeting on crowd control mistakes.  We are the cows they are herding to slaughter.  We are not supposed to speak up, just be herded.

The hate and fear rise up in the TV press voices on this show.  Their contempt for us is total.  They call us haters, but its their hate on display.  They say we have fear, but its their fear you hear.  They fear that their lies don’t work.  There was panic in the whole show.  They have lost control over us and our minds.

They openly said its just old whites that young whites are controlled by them still and that this means the Republican party is finished if it sides with old whites on their health care.  Of course, they are taking health care from young whites too.  All those with health insurance lose.

For Moyers and Frum, the current health care has disparate impact, whites get too much health care.  That is what they are trying to change.  It means taking health care from whites.  They can’t disguise their anger and hate that whites have figured that out and are saying it in town hall meetings.  They are outraged at this slave revolt.

Trailer for Spartacus.  The revolt was in 70 BC.  Trailer of the movie:

Frum and Moyers intend for whites to get the same health care as Spartacus and his men get at the end of the movie.  Spartacus is shown the hate of the powerful when their slaves revolt and tell the truth.  That is the hate that Moyers shows in this entire show.  Its what Frum shows in his segment.

Moyers and Frum are panicing at the revolt.  They mean to crush us.  Will we let them?

Frum and Moyers are two men who have freely vented their hatred of whites for decades.  Tonight they showed anger and fear.  They are angry at these town hall revolts.  They side with Congress.  They said the Represenatives represent Congress to the voters and lost control by letting whites speak up and be heard doing so by other whites.  This gives whites the idea they can revolt.

David Frum: southern whites stupid birthers

August 8, 2009

Drew Zahn
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

In a recent telephone poll conducted by Research 2000 for the website Daily Kos, 58 percent of Republican respondents when asked if Barack Obama was born in the USA answered “no” or “not sure.”

David Frum:

The crazy assertion is that Obama himself was born somewhere other than the United States.

The idea is so over-the-line nuts that it has been repudiated even by commentators who are themselves borderline nuts.

The white Southern base of the GOP strongly doubts the legality of the 2008 election and the legitimacy of the man elected. They see him as alien, foreign and suspect.

Is this mistrust racial? It sure looks that way. But there’s something else going on too: the trauma of a society adjusting to mass migration, 40-million newcomers since 1970. The people responding to the polls may be thinking: OK, maybe it’s legal for the President’s father to be a non-citizen from Kenya. But it shouldn’t be — the president should have deeper roots in the country than can be sunk in a single generation.

This is immigration Frum supported the whole time and called whites racist to oppose the whole time.

Auster on Frum

Frum realizes mass nonwhite immigration is disaster for GOP

Reading a report by Democratic consultant Stanley Greenberg saying that voters under the age of 30 favor the Democrats by a margin of 19 points, David Frum does a shocking thing: he looks at the data in racial terms and draws rational conclusions about them. He finds that young white people actually favor the Republicans by a margin of two points, and that the big GOP disadvantage is to due to a 78 point anti-GOP margin among blacks and a 43 point margin among Hispanics.

Of course, Frum thinks Southrons are morons.  They are easily led and easily fooled in his view.

Here is the transcript of the recent Center for Immigration Studies panel on Jews and immigration, featuring Stephen Steinlight, David Frum and Joseph Puder.

==Comment at Vanishing American recently:….? ReleaseID=1361

1. Do you approve or disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling his job as president?

NoColl Coll BrnAgn
Degree Degree Evngl Prot Cath Jew

Approve 49% 53% 26% 33% 46% 66%
Disapprove 42 42 65 57 45 30
DK/NA 10 6 9 9 9 4

Do you approve or disapprove of the way the Democrats in Congress are handling their job?

NoColl Coll BrnAgn
Degree Degree Evngl Prot Cath Jew

Approve 36% 34% 21% 25% 35% 51%

Disapprove 54 57 70 65 56 41

Born Again Evangelicals disapprove the Dems in Congress and disapprove Obama the most. This disproves the Christians are the problem.

Born Agains and Protestants are also very close.

The two groups poles apart are Born Agains and Jews. BA’s are 26 for to 65 against on Obama or -39. Jews are 66 for to 30 against or +30. Thus BA’s and Jews are 69 points net apart.
The are also opposite in sign and extreme in size in their difference. So they are really two opposite poles among the Q classifications of whites.

On Obama, Jews cluster with Blacks and Hispanics for him. This is more meaningful than Congress on which some groups may think that Congress doesn’t give them enough, and others think Congress gives them too much so they both disapprove.

The idea that its Christians that are the problem is false. The voting analysis in 2008 I think was similar.
Old Atlantic | 08.06.09 – 3:09 pm | #

Gravatar This shows we represent the thinking of our own people. We are not the fringe of our people, we are what our people think. In thinking about coalitions with other groups, we should realize that people from those groups who agree with us are the fringe of those groups.

This is why we should not give up our positions or curb our speech. We have to nail down exactly the situation from our group’s perspective so they can read it and see it in crystal explicit propositions. We should not hang back in fear or sugar coat it or defeat or our own message by hesitation or weasel words.
Old Atlantic | 08.06.09 – 3:20 pm | #

Interesting numbers, OA.
It’s rather reassuring to look at it that way; we aren’t the fringe. The people who have control of the media and government are the fringe.
Vanishing American | 08.07.09 – 12:00 am | #

Frum is the Fringe.  A truth whose time has come.


Frum was so busy hating Southern whites and calling them stupid he forgot to ask if Obama ever proved he was eligible to be president by showing his 1961 birth year hospital issued doctor signed birth certificate.

Obama has implied or claimed the following 4 items

  1. Obama was born at Kapiolani Medical Center.
  2. Obama’s father was Barack H. Obama Sr.
  3. Obama’s mother was Stanley Ann Dunham.
  4. Obama was born August 4, 1961.

The requirement to be president as a natural born citizen can involve some combo of:

  1. Place of birth.
  2. Status of father.
  3. Status of mother.
  4. Date.

The first 3 enter into NBC status and the last one into the age requirement.  If he commits fraud on any one of these 4 items of information he has obstructed the verification of his eligibility.  He doesn’t get to change his story after he is found out as having engaged in fraud.  If he lied or deceived on any element, then he is a fraud and loses by default.  It doesn’t matter if he could have been eligible, if he committed fraud he loses.

Which particular scenario on NBC applies can depend on any of the first 3 items and possibly the 4th. So if he lies on them even though another NBC scenario works with his new story when found out, he defaults.  If he obstructs our verification by lying and by fraud and deceit then he loses.  Receiving equity requires doing equity.  By that standard, failing to release the b.c. and other files by itself disqualifies him in several ways.  A president must show he does equity.  Obama fails on that.

Comments closed at Takimag by Taki and Spencer

December 24, 2008

Comments closed at Takimag.  Why?

No Comment

Posted by Richard Spencer on December 23, 2008

Taki has decided to suspend indefinitely all commenting at Takimag. I’d like to thank those who’ve offered up thoughtful responses to our articles in the past.

So why did they stop the commenting?

Possible reasons to drop commenting?

  1. Comments were embarrassing.
  2. Because they were white nationalist.
  3. Because they were better.
  4. Because comments had data and links to data that Taki writers are too lazy to do.
  5. Taki writers grouse instead of do research and write about it.  This is similar or the same as David Frum’s criticism of paleocons.
  6. Takimag is a vanity production and comments took away from that.
  7. David Frum is coming with a new website and Takimag is afraid somehow of competing with it.  Comments can point to that if it does more than vanity writing.

Why was Christopher Roach dropped from Takimag even though he continues his own blog?

Takimag has not really been a strong defender or advocate of anything.  Its disorganized.  It does not try to build a body of knowledge.  The writers don’t have an excitement for learning and want to show what they learned.  There are exceptions.

The columns are not memorable themselves, although comment threads often were.  The columns tended to be weak tea in terms of solid information or data or links to them.  (Exceptions are Steve Sailer and maybe Buchanan, but these writers are not Taki discoveries.) They tended towards being what Frum said of the paleocons.

March 19, 2003 9:30 a.m.
Unpatriotic Conservatives
A war against America.

Perhaps the most relentlessly solipsistic of the disgruntled paleos is Paul Gottfried, a professor at Elizabethtown College in Pennsylvania who has published an endless series of articles about his professional rebuffs.

Whether this is accurate or not, there is a tendency at Takimag to go in this direction.  The comments expose it.  After a column that grouses and bloviates, comments would come back based on data and with concise refutations.  This is what Takimag came to loathe about comments?  They proved the Frum critique was true and on target?

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Its not the end of Frum, because Frum learns. Frum learns and tells us what he learns.  You can search on David Frum at  CIS is about learning data and models and then telling us what they learn.  So is Vdare.

National Review acts like the cool kids in high school. So does Fox.  Lou Dobbs goes out and creates a body of knowledge like Vdare, CIS, NumbersUSA, Front Page Mag, Jihad Watch and even Antiwar do.  Is Takimag going to learn and tell us what they learn or ride Taki’s money and vent resentments? If so, Frum will beat that because he is still learning.

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The comment still survives at the above link.

Are Taki’s authors riding Taki’s money?  Does Taki just want a vanity font?  Is it Rupert Murdoch he thinks about?  Is he too lazy to want to build a body of knowledge like Peter Brimelow is building at Vdare?  Or Lou Dobbs?  or Brussels Journal or Jihad Watch or Front Page Mag?  Is Take not just lazy, but intellectually lazy?

Its no longer possible to reach the archives from the Front Page.  Why?  Because it is not the intent to build a body of knowledge for reference?  Because Taki realizes that after over a year, his archives prove Frum’s critique is spot on for Taki’s own mag?  Takimag was instant decayed National Review?  Post Sobran and post Brimelow at the time of inception?

On February 5, 2007, journalist and socialite Taki Theodoracopulos launched Taki’s Top Drawer, (, a conservative online magazine.

For the past ten years at least, the conservative movement has been dominated by a bunch of pudgy, pasty-faced kids in bow-ties and blue blazers who spent their youths playing Risk in gothic dormitories, while sipping port and smoking their father’s stolen cigars. Thanks to the tragedy of September 11, and a compliant and dim-witted president, these kids got the chance to play Risk with real soldiers, with American soldiers. Patriotic men and women are dying over in Iraq for a war that was never in America’s interests. And now these spitball gunners, these chicken hawks, want to attack Iran, which is no threat to the U.S. at all.

The Risk plan would have been work the domino theory in our favor.  Iraq, Iran, and Pakistan in that order.  Eliminating their nuclear arsenal and capacity against us.

If Taki really thinks Iran should be allowed to build nukes, why hasn’t he taken that on in debate and shown why at Takimag?  If Taki thinks that sanctions would work, why not make that case?

Does Take support Muslim immigration to the West?  Does he support having an Iranian Muslim, Vahid Majidi, as head of WMD for the FBI?  Does he think its bigotry to be against that?  Does he even know it?  Too busy with vanity?

Was letting the Soviet Union have nukes the wise plan?  Was that keeping the Risk boys from finishing the job of WWII?  What does he think? What world do we live in? A random world where we are not supposed to be positive actors but just passive recipients of whatever happens?  So the Muslims can be positive actors who take control of history but we can’t?  Is that his vision?

Was one reason that the comments were closed the thread that made the case against Iran and Pakistan? “simon tregarth” “old atlantic”

The above comments had real debates.  Takimag couldn’t take the truth?  Couldn’t take real evidence?

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Then there was Richard Spencer and his support for an Indian ethno-nationalist in the primary for Jim Moran’s Congressional seat. Richard Spencer Ellmore

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The Wright Island Model proves that one way migration causes genetic replacement.  Those comments were removed a couple times including the reference to Genetics journal.  Why?  Because Takimag writers don’t read such journals or use them or anything else that takes work.  Over and over, Frum’s critique rings true about Takimag and its writers.  They are the dilletantes they condemn.

dominated by a bunch of pudgy, pasty-faced kids in bow-ties and blue blazers who spent their youths playing Risk in gothic dormitories, while sipping port and smoking their father’s stolen cigars.

Takimag removed this comment:

We investigated various cases of the island model with stochastic migration. If the population is infinite, the immigrants have a fixed gene frequency and the alleles are neutral, the gene frequency on the island converges to that of the immigrants.

==from above link at OA on deleting

Richard Spencer at Takimag deleted the following comment from a thread on the debate between John Sidney McCain III and Barack Hussein Obama II

Khomeini’s will declares the US the Enemy of Islam and the Great Satan. The Constitution of Iran effectively incorporates Khomeini’s Will as a binding fatwa. Iran has made America its enemy that it must destroy and is building nukes. We need to stop thinking this is a joke. They are working to kill us and mean to do so. We have to draft 2 million men and invade Iran. The Will and the Constitution are both on line in English. We can no longer afford a press that is worried about getting interviews and not our survival.

Someone had already posted this comment in reply to mine:

I can’t tell. Is Old Atlantic joking? How, prey tell, could Iran “destroy” America even if it wanted to?

Posted by Red Phillips on Sep 27, 2008.

Taki’s original purpose in starting Takimag:

dominated by a bunch of pudgy, pasty-faced kids in bow-ties and blue blazers who spent their youths playing Risk in gothic dormitories, while sipping port and smoking their father’s stolen cigars.

So it really comes down to this, Taki is for Iran and wants to cover up Khomeni’s Will and Iran’s Constitution.  He can’t take having his original purpose exposed as false in the face of Iran’s belligerence in its formal founding documents.  Some of Taki’s own articles:

But if a weak side like ours, led by a genius portly barrister and a ten-year-old boy can come so close to beating the great Goldsmith cricket machine, why can’t Europe stand up to the Islamist bullies?

Indeed how?

Now the neo-cons want Iran. It is up to us to stop them.

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Article 107

After the demise of the eminent marji’ al-taqlid and great leader of the universal Islamic revolution, and founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Ayatullah al-’Uzma Imam Khumayni – quddisa sirruh al-sharif – who was recognized and accepted as marji’ and Leader by a decisive majority of the people, the task of appointing the Leader shall be vested with the experts elected by the people.

Khomeini’s death is part of the Constitution. So his last will and testament is part of Islamic law that the Constitution makes binding on Iran.

Article 110 [Leadership Duties and Powers]

The constitution accords many powers to the Supreme Leader.

Some say that the Supreme Leader’s powers extend beyond those enumerated in the Constitution because he can use “Islamic issues for justification.”[10]

Khomeini’s Will

The USA is the foremost enemy of Islam. It is a terrorist state by nature that has set fire to everything everywhere and its ally, the international Zionism does not stop short of any crime to achieve its base and greedy desires, crimes that the tongue and pen are ashamed to utter or write.

Where is Taki’s research to back up his opinions?  What is it beyond name dropping and name calling?  Meanwhile Iran builds.   Iran teaches that the US is the foremost enemy of Islam and the Great Satan as Khomeini’s interpretation of Islam binding on Iran’s rulers and people alike.  If they have the chance to remove the Great Satan with nukes, don’t they have an obligation to do it even if they die doing so?  Isn’t that the moral thing to do?


Richard Spencer in a comment at another site says white nats were the reason.

  1. Richard Spencer on 23 Dec 2008 at 9:54 pm #

    Well, I guess it’s kinda ironic that I’m leaving a comment (since I just banned them all at my site), but, yes, you’re right, the White Nats were the reason. Hopefully, we’ll be able to have good discussions of articles on The Sniper’s Tower.

Another comment on that thread:

  1. Daniel on 24 Dec 2008 at 2:45 pm #

    …. as a White R-A-C-I-A-L-I-S-T, to call the few – and yes, it was few – not a very active board, sorry -actually, absent the WNs, not much of interest – i disgress…. to call the few WNs extreme is, well, rather, pathetic – I found it quite tame…. Unfortunately, Taki, while no doubt, a fine man, found it more useful to use the space as a vehicle to relay trivial tidbits…. Obviously, takimag, with its editor’s predispostion to all things harmlessly useless (how else could one define its brand of paulsian libertarianism) is more than willing to show up to the fight, unarmed….

However, they published Spengler’s demographic fallacies recently:

Spengler’s fallacy is that falling white birth rates in the West are cured by non-white immigration to fund social security for the last whites when they die off.  Actually, immigration itself displaces white births as shown by the baby boom during immigration restriction from 1940 to its peak in 1957 when immigration picked up again, before the pill was introduced a few years later.  See graphs of black and white fertility from 1800 to 1990 here:

Nor does white nats explain why they removed the Wright Island Model references or the references to Iran’s Constitution or Khomeini’s Will.  The latter contradict Taki’s original stated purpose.  Nor are they well known or understood even by neocons.

White nats don’t explain why Taki’s front page does not list his archives anymore and you have to use a search engine to get to them.  That seems an admission that he knows he hasn’t built a body of knowledge.  Which comes back to David Frum’s critique of paleocons being too close for Taki’s comfort, and he is afraid that his archives just prove it.  Most of all, he may think he is the one who ended up with frat boys who don’t do their homework.  That shows.  There is no body of knowledge being built at Takimag and this reflects Taki’s own name dropping view of the world.  He is the head frat boy and he sets the example of not doing assignments with diligence, learning new things and sharing that excitement with their readers.

Differences between A and C students, scroll down and see the table comparison A on the left and C on the right.

The A students are writing at Vdare and the C students at Takimag.  Just compare the two according to the table at the bottom of the above link.

Vdare has an archive to be proud of.  Organizations like SPLC fear it because they work hard and smart.  Taki has hidden his archive because he is ashamed of it.  It just shows that his C students have turned in grouses instead of research over and over again.


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