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re See The Forest: KKK style racial hatred

December 12, 2007

Seeing the Forest comments on a piece by Vanishing American in the following blog post:

I came across this hate-piece yesterday, and it is still bothering me, so I am bringing it up here. It’s a right-wing anti-immigrant piece, going after the Republican candidates who participated in the Spanish-language debate. It becomes clear early on that it is direct hatred toward Hispanics in general – but then starts going after all non-whites, complaining about “politically correct” pandering to get votes from people who are not “us.”.

This stuff is just pure KKK-style racial hatred. This is what the Republican Party has become.

This is a comment on

This VA piece had been cited at OA

The Seeing the Forest piece is responded to by Vanishing American in “The PC Prigs are Busy”

Comment at Vanishing American thread on this by OA reposted here:

“It becomes clear early on that it is direct hatred toward Hispanics in general – but then starts going after all non-whites, complaining about “politically correct” pandering to get votes from people who are not “us.”.”

From Seeing the Forest.

We see that its referencing whites as “us” that is what he objects to as hate. His basic objection or reaction is to the idea of any white saying whites are “us”.

But a Hispanic can refer to Hispanics as us, or a black to blacks as us, etc. Only a white can’t refer to whites as “us”. When a white does it, its hate, when others do it, its not.

One can refer to the Hispanic vote, if one is to pander to it. But if someone organizes a debate in Spanish and says adopt policies X,Y, and Z, because “we” say that is how to get our, i.e. Hispanic, vote, then whites can’t say the same back w/o it being hate against Hispanics? What do the debate organizers demand? Unlimited immigration by Hispanics. That the US become a Hispanic country organized around Hispanic culture and Spanish. That the non-Hispanics pay welfare, education costs, ER’s, etc. for this to come about. Currently, 50 percent of Mexicans in the US get welfare and 50 percent are EITC eligible.

The Univision debate was an “us” forum for “us” being Hispanics. They likely used the word us. But how would we know? They made it Spanish only in their remarks. What could be more exclusive of non-Hispanics than a Spanish only debate. Then the organizer made it clear that he expected the candidates to continue policies to make the US a Hispanic country, both genetically and culturally.

He was advocating genetic replacement. The Wright Island Model makes that clear.

“We investigated various cases of the island model with stochastic migration. If the population is infinite, the immigrants have a fixed gene frequency and the alleles are neutral, the gene frequency on the island converges to that of the immigrants.”


==Questions for Seeing the Forest

Seeing the Forest

This stuff is just pure KKK-style racial hatred. This is what the Republican Party has become.

Seeing the Forest is seeing his own fear of being called white as part of an us. Some questions for Seeing the Forest

1. Are whites a group?

2. If whites are a group, can’t members of the group refer to themselves as us?

3. If whites are not a group, why not?

4. If whites are not a group, how can they be racist?

5. Are Hispanics a group?

6. Did Univision implicitly or explicitly refer to Hispanics as us in their GOP Spanish Debate?

7. Did they or its organizers refer to goals or policies they wanted for Hispanics, their “us”, in order to get Hispanic votes?

8. Why can’t those excluded from the debate by its broadcast in Spanish, refer to themselves as “us” for their group memberships, e.g. white, and oppose the Hispanic promotion policies?

9. Could you study the Wright Island Model material and answer whether you agree with the published math and science journal articles that say that current immigration causes genetic replacement of whites?

10. Do you advocate and support genetic replacement of whites by Hispanic immigration?

11. Do you object to whites referring to themselves as us to develop political support to stop this genetic replacement process by immigration?

12. Do you support the policies of a Hispanic America advocated by the debate sponsors?

Can’t See the Forest see his own fear? Can’t See the Forest see his own error?


Compare this to the piece in New York Times “Chasing the Elusive Bubba Vote”

Isn’t Bubba more “hate” than Hispanic? Isn’t calling whites, bubbas, more hate, than calling Hispanics Hispanics? From one bubba to See the Forest, it seems that way to me.

From the article:

Chasing the Elusive Bubba Vote

Old, white and in the way?

Harshaw quotes

The idea that Democrats might no longer “pander” to good ol’ boys is music to the ears of Stanley Kurtz at The Corner:

First the Democrats alienated many white men by supporting discriminatory preferential treatment policies. When these men refused to accept this discrimination, many of them left the Democratic Party. This, in turn, enraged many Democrats, who began to think “invidiously” about white men. So it would appear that racial discrimination in law and policy breeds racial discrimination in culture. If the Democrats lose a large chunk of the “NASCAR Dad” vote in the upcoming elections, it might have something to do with the fact that the Dems richly deserve to lose it.

There are 72 comments at the New York Times. See the Forest might want to go over and point out that the title is hate and that the Democratic Party has become the party of hate of whites. See the Forest might want to write:

This stuff is just pure Soviet propaganda-style racial hatred. This is what the Democratic Party has become.

I actually don’t object to the NY Times article as See the Forest does to the Vanishing American article. But I’m only a bubba. This is what us bubbas have come to expect as our lot: the NYT article, the See the Forest article, the Univision Debate Pandering that VA points out, and the genetic replacement that the Wright Island Model points out. That would be Bubba Replacement.

There I go again, calling us bubbas, us. Clearly for me to refer to bubbas as us is hate. Its bubba-nature. Bubbas should know the New York Times can refer to bubbas, and even, gasp, if you read the article, whites, but for the bubbas themselves to then think they can call the bubbas us, that is KKK hate.

That is what the Democratic Party, and much of the Republican Party establishment have become, for decades. See the Forest expresses exactly the attitude, I almost wrote hate, that was displayed on All in the Family and other sitcoms. When Atta came in line to kill us bubbas and whites on 9-11, the ticket agent, a white bubba, said he thought Atta was a terrorist. But he realized this was his inner bubba white KKK racial hate voice talking and let Atta pass on. This is what All in the Family and the Democrats and Republican establishment have taught us, that when we see the real hate in their eyes to think its our hate instead. Then we destroy ourselves, to paraphrase bubba Nixon.


Search “chasing the elusive”

Results 1100 of about 33,200 for chasing the elusive.

Evidently this phrase has become common, so common that Vanishing American might think she could use it without being called KKK by See the Forest.

==Whites at


Results 1100 of about 1,290 from for whites. (

Most of these references do seem to have negative attitudes towards whites. White only scholarships. Whites have lower unemployment rate than blacks (evil bubbas).

==Some references on black gangs raping whites in prison

white black prison rape

==What do say?

whites gang rape

whites gang rape prison

Previously open comment thread:


Racial differences exist, with blacks disproportionately represented among homicide victims and offenders
In 2005, homicide victimization rates for blacks were 6 times higher than the rates for whites.

Scroll down to bottom for black on white homicide v. white on black homicide comparison graph.

==White Farm Murders

Photos and stats: (Note photos are very graphic)


univision debate

Michelle Malkin (well known Bubba KKKer , you can’t tell under the sheets at the meetings?)

Furthermore, does Jorge Ramos, a Mexican citizen, have any business being one of the moderators of an American political debate?

In an interview several months back, Ramos gloated that

“…all the time we [Hispanics] are more numerous, richer, all the time we gain more acquisitive [sic—or maybe not] power, all the time we are stronger politically, and all the time we are taking over the United States more…I think that the growth of the Latino Community is unstoppable, but there is much to correct, especially, the cases of rejection and persecution against other Latinos, but we’re doing well, definitely.” [Jorge Ramos y el libro que lo hizo llorar. Nuevo Siglo, August 24, 2007

Sounds like a lot of “we Hispanics” in there. Assuming Ramos does speak for Hispanic intentions, what are they? If not all Hispanics intend that, aren’t they doing it anyhow?

“We investigated various cases of the island model with stochastic migration. If the population is infinite, the immigrants have a fixed gene frequency and the alleles are neutral, the gene frequency on the island converges to that of the immigrants.” Nagylaki

Immigration is not about mixing its about replacement. Whether there is a mixture as an intermediate state, the asymptotic state is pure replacement. Democrats and some Republicans promise a mixture, but the science and math says they deliver genetic replacement, not a mixture except as a temporary condition. This is why they hate, I mean chastise, James Watson for his comments about genetics. They have to keep the bubba scientists from telling the other bubbas what the bubba science journals actually say. Because if all the bubbas knew what the bubba science journals said, why, why, they might do something. Like vote for Tom Tancredo.

An older Steve Sailer piece on Jorge Ramos in 2004

==See v. Seeing the Forest

Originally I thought he was called See the Forest not Seeing the Forest. This was changed in some places but not others when I realized my error. This comes from original bubba sin. No doubt Seeing the Forest, will see this as hate somehow.

==More on Why they attack Bubba Scientists who speak again

The biggest reason they attack bubba scientists who speak out is that the left tells bubbas that what bubbas feel or think is hate. The left doesn’t want bubbas to know that what they feel or think naturally is actually in math and science journals as proven. The message of All in the Family is that what bubbas think is wrong. But the science journals and DOJ website, and the HRW website, and the photos of white farm murders, and the statements of Jorge Ramos all show that what bubbas think naturally is actually true. That is another reason the left attacked Virgil Goode for saying stop Muslim immigration. The security agent who let Atta through said that Atta looked like a terrorist, but then the person didn’t stop Atta.

The left by its propaganda that what bubbas, i.e. all whites, think is hate, are responsible for the deaths on 9-11. They are also responsible for many more deaths in incidents great and small. They are also destroying the West. The left are the agents of the Fermi Paradox, that advanced civilizations destroy themselves before they can spread into space. The left is going about the business of stopping the spread of intelligence in the universe by destroying advanced civilization. This is what they can’t let the bubba scientists like James Watson from saying.

==Other blogs commenting on Seeing the Forest’s comment on VA:

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