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November 30, 2006

“Jim Webb, Democratic senator-elect from Virginia, has become a pompous poseur and an abuser of the English language before actually becoming a senator.”

Will is saying Webb is a poseur because Webb says he is for people. Webb wants to stop all guest worker. This includes H1B. Immigration harms young adults by taking away their job security. Without that they can’t get married, have kids and stay married.

Without that, our society loses purpose and meaning. That is precisely what people compalin of. Teens see they have no future and commit meaningless violence.

George Will is the pompous poseur. He is halfway in the K-Street door of the RINO elite that is for big immigration and considers Americans bigots for wanting to end it, all of it legal or illegal.

Will supports amnesty (admittedly Webb does too)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/29/AR2006032902004.html

Will supports unlimited H1B’s.

“Conservatives should favor a policy of encouraging unlimited immigration by educated people with math, engineering, technology or science skills that America’s education system is not sufficiently supplying.”

See also for a pro Will perspective:
http://carryonamerica.com/?p=134

Will, Fred Barnes, Bill Kristol, and Paul Gigot do not support the more stringent Tancredo approach and Kristol even calls his approach “liberal.” More and more of the conservative pundits, minus Pat Buchanan, seem to favor this type of pragmatic approach.”

Some comments on Daily Kos about Will and Immigration

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/22/105650/65

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2006/11/22/105650/65/24#c24

In today’s world, an economist is someone who can prove definitively that you have no right to have a job, or medical insurance, and that your job not only SHOULD be shipped to India, but an economically reasonable person would be EAGER to see their job off-shored.

That’s George Will. He is sitting there telling the rest of us that we have no rights to jobs, and that economic rationality means that all our jobs will soon go to China, and that we should be pleased with this.

by centerdem on Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 08:48:47 AM PST”

=== Comments from WaPo

Why doesn’t George Will just say he is for MSM government of the elite by the elite for the elite. He is condemnding Webb, lest government of the elite should perish from Washington D.C., WaPo and the rest of the MSM. I am surprised he didn’t attack Lou Dobbs and Tom Tancredo while he was at it.

Or maybe its government of the people by the elite for the elite.

Or government of the people by the prissy George Will for the elites.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/comments/display?contentID=AR2006112901267&start=621

By OldAtlantic | Nov 30, 2006 1:05:44 PM

“quote In todays world, an economist is someone who can prove definitively that you have no right to have a job, or medical insurance, and that your job not only SHOULD be shipped to India, but an economically reasonable person would be EAGER to see their job off-shored. Thats George Will. He is sitting there telling the rest of us that we have no rights to jobs, and that economic rationality means that all our jobs will soon go to China, and that we should be pleased with this. by centerdem on Wed Nov 22, 2006 at 08:48:47 AM PST dailykos 2006 endquote

By OldAtlantic | Nov 30, 2006 9:14:39 AM”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/comments/display?contentID=AR2006112901267&start=221

“You can’t be on good terms with Bush. Bush is against us and
against reason. Bush is on the side of the Baker Botts Bush family. Bush chose Prince Bandar after 9-11. He chose to be against America and cover up the Saudi Pakistan financed attack on America.

Most of above on page 12 or 13.

quote WOW! Will must have hit a left nerve! Webb isnt so much a boor as he is just plain arrogant and obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Webb had an opportunity to form a civil working relationship with Bush and he threw that opportunity away. He effectively made himself politically invisible to the White House and certainly useless to Virginia. And to think he achieved that even before taking office! Way to go, Webb! By JackESpratt | Nov 30, 2006 9:09:49 AM end quote. You cant be on good terms with Bush. Bush is against us and against reason. Bush is on the side of the Baker Botts Bush family. Bush chose Prince Bandar after 9-11. He chose to be against America and cover up the Saudi Pakistan financed attack on America.

By OldAtlantic | Nov 30, 2006 1:11:51 PM |

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/comments/display?contentID=AR2006112901267&start=641

page 33.

How far does the Post system run in numbering pages? It looks like its at the limit? If we reach the limit will Bush and the lobbyist bought Congress and their MSM flacks like Will all resign? At least will Will resign?

By OldAtlantic | Nov 30, 2006 1:14:13 PM
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quote If anyone is an expert on pompous and being a poseur, its you, will. By pssixsix | Nov 30, 2006 2:37:07 PM end quote. That is the truth. Will is also an expert on toadying to power. Will knows how to keep down the people, he attacks the politicians elected to speak for them at his first chance. This was a calculated attack. Will was looking for his opening. Jim Webb ran as in effect the only Senator willing to speak up against guest worker, H1B, and the rest of the lies that Will spews out for his corporate paycheck.

By OldAtlantic | Nov 30, 2006 2:39:47 PM

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George Will is an anti-American bigot. You can hear it when he and the elite talk about immigration. They call us lazy and stupid. quote “Conservatives should favor a policy of encouraging unlimited immigration by educated people with math, engineering, technology or science skills that America’s education system is not sufficiently supplying.” end quote. That is from George Will. Translation: Americans are too dumb and lazy to learn math. This is anti-American bigotry. That is common to the elite. Biden, Kennedy, McCain, etc. constantly say Americans are too dumb and lazy to learn math.

By OldAtlantic | Nov 30, 2006 3:06:12 PM
The elite have a culture of hatred of Americans and express it openly. When they say Americans are too stupid for math and science, that is expressing their hatred of Americans.
By OldAtlantic | Nov 30, 2006 3:09:23 PM

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Jim Webb wants to end all guest worker programs. Will wants unlimited guest worker in all technical fields. Will thinks Americans are too dumb or lazy to do these jobs. Will wants to take away job security from young adults. If they can’t have job security, they can’t stay married after they have kids. Because they can’t stay married after they have kids, they won’t have kids. Because they won’t have kids, they won’t get married. Because they won’t get married, they don’t have to be paid well or get benefits. This is the elite mentality. Will is a spokesperson for the CEO’s. Webb is exposing that. This was a predesigned hit job. If not this, Will would have used something else for his hit job on Webb.

By OldAtlantic | Nov 30, 2006 6:32:29 PM

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George Will: Pharoanic Pompous Poseur Pedant Peurile Pentagonic Porous Photodegenerate Fallacious Fount of Phosphoric Fury Fibrillating Fantasy of Ferrous Foxlike Fabulous Phoenix Faux Fumes of Philly Foulness Fabricating Photovoltaic Fibers Foully Finking Fibbing Fishmongering Foulmouthing Files From Pools of Frogs Foulest Frothing Fiends Fool Fruity Forked Faust.

By OldAtlantic | Nov 30, 2006 8:38:33 PM

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“Obviously somebody`s orchestrating these flames. Pathetic.

By zjr78xva | Nov 30, 2006 8:52:17 PM”

Or did George Will touch some real resentment of the disloyal elite, of which he is the most egregious example?

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George Will wants to concentrate on the topic of rudeness, not loyalty to Americans. Saying George Will and George Bush arent loyal to Americans on guest worker is rude. Saying they are loyal only to their own in group is rude and crude. Webb is about displacing them. This is the sound of the George Will MSM being displaced from its throne to mock us for wanting job, physical, and speech security. We want to be heard, and George Will doesnt want us to be heard. Jim Webb speaks for Americans kept down and put down by George Will and George Bush for decades.

By OldAtlantic | Nov 30, 2006 9:18:07 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/comments/display?contentID=AR2006112901267&start=1321

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quote destruction of the middle class end quote.gaburdman | Nov 30, 2006 9:40:10 PM. That is exactly right. George Will and his cohorts on ABC have chortled over the decline of those they went to high school with or their children or grand children. They exult in their status. They have no loyalty at all to where they come from or who they come from. George Will personifies that above all others.

By OldAtlantic | Nov 30, 2006 9:45:43 PM

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George Will you are a Benedict Arnold to the American middle class. So is the MSM including the ABC team. So is George Bush. You took the side of Saudi Arabia. You took the side of what attacked us. You have covered up the 27 pages that Congress couldn’t publish.

quote Saudi Government Provided Aid to 9/11 Hijackers, Sources Say
By Josh Meyer
The Los Angeles Times

Saturday 02 August 2003

WASHINGTON – The 27 classified pages of a congressional report about Sept. 11 depict a Saudi government that not only provided significant money and aid to the suicide hijackers but also allowed potentially hundreds of millions of dollars to flow to Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups through suspect charities and other fronts, according to sources familiar with the document.

One U.S. official who has read the classified section said it describes “very direct, very specific links” between Saudi officials, two of the San Diego-based hijackers and other potential co-conspirators “that cannot be passed off as rogue, isolated or coincidental.”

Said another official: “It’s really damning. What it says is that not only Saudi entities or nationals are implicated in 9/11, but the [Saudi] government” as well. end quote.

You and George Bush have betrayed the people of this country for your personal profit.

By OldAtlantic | Nov 30, 2006 9:52:36 PM

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WP EDITORS, also apologize to the American middle class for betraying it for the last 40 years since the 1965 Immigration Act. You can apologize for calling us bigots while you take away our job security. You can apologize to young adults who can’t get married, have kids and stay married because you have taken their job security for yourselves. George Bush can do the same. You can apologize for letting Pakistan keep its nukes after 9-11, while we wasted our lives in Iraq that has no nukes. You can apologize for our wasting our lives in Iraq instead of stopping North Korea from getting nukes. The American people do want to stop these dangerous regimes from getting nukes. George Bush betrayed us in Iraq.

By OldAtlantic | Nov 30, 2006 10:09:09 PM

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Request George Wills Removal

By OldAtlantic | Nov 30, 2006 10:12:16 PM

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quote “infinitely richer” end quote. This has over 40,000 hits in google. So its an acceptable figure of speech.

Dictionary com tells us one meaning is unbounded. If we plot the ratio of George Will’s pay to that of the median worker it continues to rise. If this process continued through time, it would be unbounded.

Webb’s comment was quote America’s top tier has grown infinitely richer and more removed over the past 25 years. end quote.

So as a process in time, it does appear unbounded. This ratio has increased without hitting the upper bound of our patience, yet.

You keep getting away with more immigration to keep us afraid. You take our job, education, physical and speech security from us.

We have to speak up anyhow. You and the rest of the MSM are surpised each time it happens. Lou Dobbs and Tom Tancredo and Jim Webb are something you dismiss, but the people don’t. They speak up for us.That’s what you hate, because in the end, its us that you have disdain and contempt for, not just Webb.

You are telling Webb, be quiet, take the money, and get along. Sell them out. Take Saudi money like Jim Baker. Take oil pipeline money like Baker Botts. Take it. Forget them.

By OldAtlantic | Nov 30, 2006 10:31:49 PM
Men’s median wages are below what they were in 1973. But George Will’s, George Bush’s, and Baker Botts are not.

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quote America’s top tier has grown infinitely richer and more removed over the past 25 years. end quote. Men’s median wages are no higher than in 1973. But George Will’s, George Bush’s, and Baker Botts are not. Could it be that Webb threatens the upward line of your compensation Mr. Will? If Webb sits down, is quiet and takes money, then your wages keep going up? Webb threatens your pocket book. For that you speak up. You want to keep us down, so your corporate masters will pay you more.

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quote The United States has asked for and received extraordinary help from Pakistan in the war on terrorism. end quote. From George Will, search George Will Pakistan.

quote Alabama and one in North Carolina, have significant numbers of textile workers. end quote

Whose jobs you want to give to Pakistan. What did Pakistan do for us in the war on terror? It may have helped finance 9-11. Now it supports the Taliban against our troops.

quote made short shrift of the Taliban end quote.

Not quite George. The Taliban is back, with the help of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.Those are your and George Bush’s allies against the American people.

Why do you speak up for countries that helped attack us on 9-11 and now support the insurgencies against our troops?

Why do you support unlimited H1B so that China can get our night vision and use it against our troops?

By OldAtlantic | Nov 30, 2006 10:49:52 PM

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quote “Conservatives should favor a policy of encouraging unlimited immigration by educated people with math, engineering, technology or science skills that America’s education system is not sufficiently supplying.” end quote. From an earlier George Will column.

Search on Chinese night vision. China got our night vision and sells it to Pakistan, Iran and Saudi Arabia who supply it to the insurgents to use on our troops.

How do we save money to have our troops killed or maimed by our own night vision technology? Why do you have no loyalty to our troops? Jim Webb does. He wants our night vision technology and other advantages kept here, not given to George Bush allies like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to give to the insurgents to use against our troops.

By OldAtlantic | Nov 30, 2006 10:56:26 PM

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Search on Indian stealth Noshir Gowadia. He was born in India and sold our stealth technology to China. How does that save us money? After George Bush finalized the India Nuclear Deal, India did a deal with China. What do you know about India, China, etc. having kompromat on George Bush?

By OldAtlantic | Nov 30, 2006 11:01:57 PM

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The real reason you hate James Webb, is that Webb is loyal to America and our troops, and George Bush and George Will aren’t. They use these as slogans but lie. They are both as disloyal to our troops as to our middle class.

They sell out our night vision and stealth technology to China as they sell out education opportunities in math and science at our own universities and our jobs in those fields. Those are supposed to be the high pay high benefit jobs.

We are supposed to sacrifice to get education for them, and then you take them from us and give them to people from India and China. Then they sell weapons based on that tech to Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan that supply them to the insurgents to use on our troops. They and we are killed and maimed.

You say it saves money. It only saves you money and those you answer to, the Baker Botts law firms, lobbyists and big money interests that pay you and George Bush. Webb isn’t taking the money to be quiet, so you attack him on flimsy grounds.

By OldAtlantic | Nov 30, 2006 11:07:41 PM

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quote and even the conservative columnist George Will notes in the Washington Post, quote It is not fantasy that there have been many reports that the then-head of Pakistani intelligence was responsible for $100,000 being wired to Mohamed Atta, the lead 9/11 hijacker. end quote [Washington Post, 10/5/2003] end quote. from Cooperativeresearch. How can George Will be supporting George Bush in 2006 against Jim Webb, when he himself has pointed out in 2003 that Bush betrayed us on Pakistan? What does Will know about the relationship between Pakistan and George Bush? Why did George Will not oppose George Bush in 2004 because Bush covered up the Pakistan and Saudi Arabia role in financing 9-11, and in supporting and financing the insurgencies in Afghanistan and Iraq?

By OldAtlantic | Dec 1, 2006 7:11:22 AM

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quote These pols play on the fantasies of mildly delusional voters. end quote from R. Emmett Tyrrell Jr., Unpleasant People’s Party, in Wash Times today.

So James Webb is hit from both barrels of the Washington establishment. They can’t stand a Senator who tells the truth.

quote mildly delusional voters end quote. Men’s real wages are below what they were in 1973. CEO and George Will wages are up.

Since 9-11, the price of oil has gone from about 25 dollars a barrel to over 60. So Saudi Princes income is up. Prince Bandar and Prince al Turki have done well with the Bush post 9-11 policy of blame Saddam.

But the American middle class is left behind. We need job security for young adults so they can get married, have kids and stay married. That means no immigration, no guest worker. That isn’t a delusion, its reality.

By OldAtlantic | Dec 1, 2006 8:54:07 AM
A better tack on immigration

By R. Emmett Tyrrell Jr.
December 2, 2005

“There is a market for immigrants in this country. The president is more cognizant of this than those who would restrict immigration. But consider the market for a minute: (1) producers need immigrants; (2) Immigrants come because there is work that enriches them. This market has helped the economy. It is growing robustly and without unemployment, one of the feared downsides of immigration or even illegal immigration. We are almost at full employment, and with 2 to 3 times as many illegal immigrants in the country as in the mid-1980s, when former Sen. Alan Simpson, Wyoming Republican, last addressed the immigration issue. That pretty much proves the economy can accept immigration and prosper.”

So Tyrrel is a big immigrationist, just like George Will. Both want to take away job security from young adults, thus depriving them of the essential security to get married, have kids and stay married.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Tyrrell

search R. Emmett Tyrell “immigration”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Spectator

The American Spectator is a conservative U.S. monthly magazine covering news and politics, edited by R. Emmett Tyrrell Jr. and published by the non-profit American Spectator Foundation.”

“From its founding in 1967 until the late 1980s, the small-circulation magazine featured the writings of authors such as Thomas Sowell, Tom Wolfe, P.J. O’Rourke, George F. Will, Patrick J. Buchanan, Alex Linder and Malcolm Muggeridge,”
search American Spectator “George Will” 146,000 hits

So Tyrrell in the Washington Times is rushing to the defense of George Will against the reader response at Washington Post.

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Comment in Post:

Unpleasant people’s party?

By R. Emmett Tyrrell Jr.
December 1, 2006 This is another attack piece on Webb. This may be a response to yesterday’s reader response to George Will. Tyrrell published George Will in his American Spectator. Tyrrell like Will supports big immigration and guest worker.
quote There is a market for immigrants in this country. The president is more cognizant of this than those who would restrict immigration. But consider the market for a minute: (1) producers need immigrants; (2) Immigrants come because there is work that enriches them. This market has helped the economy. It is growing robustly and without unemployment, one of the feared downsides of immigration or even illegal immigration. We are almost at full employment, and with 2 to 3 times as many illegal immigrants in the country as in the mid-1980s, when former Sen. Alan Simpson, Wyoming Republican, last addressed the immigration issue. That pretty much proves the economy can accept immigration and prosper. end quote.

From “A better tack on immigration”

By R. Emmett Tyrrell Jr.
December 2, 2005 Washington Times.

Also at American Spectator

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=10692

Tyrrell is part of the Washington big immigration establishment. Unemployment is low, but median wages for men are below what they were in 1973.

Tyrrell is pushing immigration for employers. Tyrrell is pushing down our wages and our benefits.

Young adults need job security. They need jobs with good wages and benefits. They need job security to get married, have kids and stay married.

They look forward and work backwards. They may not stay married with kids without a good job, especially for the man. Men’s wages are below what they were in 1973.

They won’t have kids if they are married if they don’t think they will have job security and stay married. So they don’t have kids while married.

Because they have figured out they won’t have kids if they get married, they don’t get married. So the lack of job security works its way backwards in their decision tree.

They can’t be sure they will stay married after having kids, so they don’t have kids while married. They forecast that, so they don’t get married.

Teenagers then see that they have no near term prospects of settling down. That takes away meaning from their lives. Their biological clock tells them to have kids as teens. But they see that men of all ages are losing good jobs and not getting new jobs with good wages, benefits, job security, and workplace dignity.

So teens go wilding without the prospect of entering a stable adult world as workers and parents. This undermines the entire stability of society. The result is crime. Teen crime shoots up. This is what happened after the 1965 Immigration Act. Congress created a crime wave. We are living in it still.

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Will quote “Conservatives should favor a policy of encouraging unlimited immigration by educated people with math, engineering, technology or science skills that America’s education system is not sufficiently supplying.” end quote.

Tyrrell quote There is a market for immigrants in this country. end quote.
Tyrrell and Will have supported Chinese and Indian grad students and H1B’s coming to America. They have gained our night vision tech and produce it in China and India and sell it to Pakistan, Iran and Saudi Arabia. They supply it to the insurgents to use against our troops. Tyrrell and Will have supported this know-how transfer and championed it.

Christians in Virginia and Indiana won’t listen to the left attack Tyrrell and Will. But they will listen to Webb. Webb is an authentic American hero. When he tells Christians in Virginia and Indiana that Tyrrell and Wil have given our night vision to Chinese grad students and now its
in the hands of insurgents who use it to kill and maim our troops, those Christians will listen.

That is why Tyrrell and Will fear Webb. Tyrrell and Will are not loyal to Americans. They are not loyal to the Christians in Indiana and Virginia who listen to them. Webb is someone those Christians will listen to and learn the truth that Tyrrell and Will have put our night vision in the hands of insurgents who kill and maim our troops.

They are being paid off by the Washington establishment and ultimately law firms and think tanks acting for China. Tyrrell and Will don’t want Christians in Virginia and Indiana to hear this from Webb. Neither do George Bush or John McCain.

By OldAtlantic | Dec 1, 2006 10:53:03 AM

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Two links from American Spectator website:

Tax Havens
Offshore Banking

Spectator is published by Tyrrell who has published Will articles in it. They are defending each other together. Jim Webb is against Tax Havens and Offshore Banking and the Washingont pundits who pretend to be for people but are really linked to this. This is another reason they don’t want Webb exposing them. Webb won’t just take money and be quiet. They want Webb to take the Washington money and pretend to be for people, like them. They want Webb to let China get our night vision and pretend to support our troops, like them. They want guest workers and grad students to take away our know-how and job security and pretend to be for the middle class, like them.

By OldAtlantic | Dec 1, 2006 11:02:41 AM

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quote

Do you think there is even a chance that George Will or any of the editors or WaPo are reading these comments to see how far off base they are with average Americans? Naw. That would imply that they care what we think when it is clear that they only like what is said in their little echo chamber. WaPo and mainstream news are headed the way of the dinasaur because they refuse to listen.
By Krotten1 | Dec 1, 2006 12:04:29 PM end quote.

You are right. They are saying we are disgruntled rodents. That is why they keep pushing guest worker, H1B, no Americans in physics and math Ph.D. programs, but 100,000 dollar fellowships for Chinese and Indians.

That is why they let China sell our night vision to Iran, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to supply to the insurgents to use against our troops, to kill them and maim them. They don’t talk to our troops very often. Why?

By OldAtlantic | Dec 1, 2006 12:27:22 PM
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Will and MSM including ABC harm us by immigration. They have taken our job security. They prevent young adults getting married, having kids and staying married by taking their job security. They hate us because they have hurt us.

They can’t recognize our opinions as valid. They have to character assassinate us.

That is why they are attacking Webb. Webb speaks for our job security. They can’t stand to hear it. Webb is a hero. They have to degrade Webb in the same way they have degraded us.

quote Do you think there is even a chance that George Will or any of the editors or WaPo are reading these comments to see how far off base they are with average Americans? Naw. That would imply that they care what we think when it is clear that they only like what is said in their little echo chamber. WaPo and mainstream news are headed the way of the dinasaur because they refuse to listen. By Krotten1 | Dec 1, 2006 12:04:29 PM end quote.

By OldAtlantic | Dec 1, 2006 12:33:30 PM

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Will wants to damage the character of Webb. Will was looking for something. So was Tyrrell. They are fuax conservatives.

They have gone along with giving our high tech night vision to China and India through grad students, profs, and H1B’s. That night vision goes to Iran, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and then to the insurgents.

Will and Tyrrell know that Webb is against this. They don’t want him exposing them as not supporting our troops. This is a preemptive attack.

By OldAtlantic | Dec 1, 2006 6:03:09 PM

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The larger point is that Webb won’t be bought and will tell the truth. Webb can tell that Washington pundits are bought or at least rented on many issues. Or they sell themselves out on their own. These right wing pundits say they support our troops while they give our night vision to China through H1B, grad students, etc. That ends up with the insurgents who kill and maim our troops. That doesn’t save money. They take our educational opportunities in math and physics, our job security, our wages, our benefits, our careers, and then our technology ends up maiming and killing our troops. Webb is willing to tell this truth. He isn’t part of the immigration industrial complex. He isn’t part of the George Will spin complex. They are launching a pre-emptive attack. They were looking for something.

By OldAtlantic | Dec 1, 2006 9:00:38 PM

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When will Will ever learn, he’s what Webb has to warn us of.

By OldAtlantic | Dec 1, 2006 10:23:42 PM

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George Will “Conservatives should favor a policy of encouraging unlimited immigration by educated people with math, engineering, technology or science skills that America’s education system is not sufficiently supplying.”

Thursday, March 30, 2006; Page A23.

China’s Secret War
By Patrick Devenny
FrontPageMagazine.com | March 31, 2005

FBI Assistant Director Dan Szady:

“3,000 Chinese front companies that presently operate within the US. The main purpose of these pseudo-businesses, he said, is to facilitate often-illegal technology transfers to the Chinese government.”

This was in March 31, 2005, but Will in 2006 is still advocating that math and science at the Ph.D level be taught to Chinese and not Americans.

Webb has the opposite view. Will doesn’t want people who will listen to Webb to hear Webb expose Will’s continuing betrayal of our country.

By OldAtlantic | Dec 2, 2006 8:58:12 AM

Will supports quote unlimited immigration by educated people with math, engineering, technology or science skills end quote.

More from Chinas Secret War By Patrick Devenny FrontPageMagazine.com | March 31, 2005. quote At Beijing�s behest, Shih shipped cutting edge night vision technology to Chinese technical research centers, such as the North China Research Institute, which are closely linked to the PRC military. … But the damage had been done. Almost single-handedly, Shih destroyed America�s advantage in night optic technology�a critical component of our continuing dominance on the battlefield. end quote

This night vision is then sold to Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc. who supply it to the insurgents to use against our troops. What about supporting our troops? Webb does by stopping this. Will doesn’t by making it happen. That’s why Will wants to discredit and silence Webb.

By OldAtlantic | Dec 2, 2006 9:38:20 AM

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Will wants to be thought of as conservative and loyal to America. Webb upstages him on that. This is why Will attacks Webb.

George Will quote Conservatives should favor a policy of encouraging unlimited immigration by educated people with math, engineering, technology or science skills that America’s education system is not sufficiently supplying. end quote.

Bill Gertz Wash imes re stealth tech stolen by China quote
Details of the classified defense technology related to the B-2’s engine exhaust system and its ability to avoid detection by infrared sensors were sold to Chinese officials by former defense contractor Noshir S. Gowadia, an Indian-born citizen charged with spying in a federal indictment released by prosecutors in Hawaii. end quote.

Webb is against the H1B program that made this possible. George Will is for it. Will can’t let middle Americans hear this from Webb. Will is preemptively discrediting Webb to avoid Webb pointing out that Will’s disloyalty (and bigotry) to the middle class is responsible for this.

FBI on Gowadia

Wash Times Editorial

search “Noshir Gowadia

By OldAtlantic | Dec 2, 2006 4:09:27 PM

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quote deranged Bush hating fanaticism end quote. Bush wouldnt let the 27 pages of the 2003 Congressional report be published.

Saudi Government Provided Aid to 9/11 Hijackers, Sources Say
By Josh Meyer
The Los Angeles Times

Saturday 02 August 2003

WASHINGTON – The 27 classified pages of a congressional report about Sept. 11 depict a Saudi government that not only provided significant money and aid to the suicide hijackers but also allowed potentially hundreds of millions of dollars to flow to Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups through suspect charities and other fronts, according to sources familiar with the document.

One U.S. official who has read the classified section said it describes “very direct, very specific links” between Saudi officials, two of the San Diego-based hijackers and other potential co-conspirators “that cannot be passed off as rogue, isolated or coincidental.”

Said another official: “It’s really damning. What it says is that not only Saudi entities or nationals are implicated in 9/11, but the [Saudi] government” as well.

Why doesnt let Bush let this be published now? George Will and George Bush must fear that Webb will want it published. quote moonbats. end quote.By OldAtlantic | Dec 2, 2006 6:05:46 PM

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George Will Nov 30, 2006: “… cavalier historical judgments — although is he sure that America is less egalitarian today than it was, say, 50 years ago, when only about 7 percent of American adults had college degrees? (Twenty-eight percent do today.) “

George Will in March 30, 2006: “Conservatives should favor a policy of encouraging unlimited immigration by educated people with math, engineering, technology or science skills that America’s education system is not sufficiently supplying.”

Webb is saying there is more income inequality today. Will in Nov 2006 says we have 28 percent college degrees, showing Americans are educated. But in March 2006, Will said Americans don’t learn anything in college, i.e. math and science, and that the school system can’t teach them.

If Americans can’t do hard stuff, as Will says in March, then more degrees won’t eliminate the income inequality. Will is willing to say anything based on what point he wants to make. Americans wrote the textbooks in calculus, Apostol, Spivak, Leithholds, etc. If Americans can write the textbooks, can’t they learn from them? Webb doesn’t have this anti-American bigot attitude that Will does, that’s why Will has to discredit him.

By OldAtlantic | Dec 3, 2006 8:48:26 AM

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George Will in March 2006 quote Conservatives should favor a policy of encouraging unlimited immigration by educated people with math, engineering, technology or science skills that Americas education system is not sufficiently supplying. end quote.

Chinese night vision has 2.4 million hits.

We invented night vision in the US but now the Chinese have it and it ends up with the insurgents killing and maiming our troops. It hurt Israel in Lebanon in 2006.

A fair question is whether through his many associations, think tanks, speaking fees, books overseas or used in US courses, etc. Will or any legal entity linked to him gets money from Chinese arms merchants? Is there merchant of death money (American GI’s deaths and maiming) that flows back to Will or any legal entity he has any link to from the know-how transfer to China by H1B’s, grad students, etc?

By OldAtlantic | Dec 3, 2006 1:51:20 PM

Is Will a pompous poseur of disloyalty? Is Will the benefactor of Chinese merchants of death? Is Will a benefactor of the Chinese network that gained our night vision know-how?

American Spectator

George Will and Tyrrell Bashing Webb:

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=10696

..

Price of Oil

http://www.wtrg.com/prices.htm

Chart

http://www.wtrg.com/oil_graphs/oilprice1947.gif

From 1985 to 2003, the price of oil fluctuated between 10 and 30 dollars a barrell. Now its at 60 dollars. George Bush has helped Prince Bandar and Prince al-Turki. George Bush’s post 9-11 policies have helped Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia and Pakistan 9-11:

http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd09092003.html

by George Will

Fascism, Alive and Abroad
By George Will
Sunday, October 5, 2003

““It is not fantasy that there have been many reports that the then-head of Pakistani intelligence was responsible for $100,000 being wired to Mohamed Atta, the lead 9/11 hijacker.” [Washington Post. 5 October.’)” onmouseout=”return nd()”>Washington Post, 10/5/2003]” Timeline
On George Will

Criticism: http://www.counterpunch.org/hughes0924.html

http://www.counterpunch.org/chuckman08222003.html

on R. Emmett Tyrrell

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_brass_id.asp

Two links from American Spectator:

Tax Havens
Offshore Banking

Chinese Spying

“How China Steals U.S. Military Secrets
A spate of recent spying cases opens the lid on China’s aggressive military buildup. What’s most troubling: It is based largely on U.S. technology.”

BY Simon Cooper

August 2006
Popular Mechanics

Fact Sheet
Bureau of Political-Military Affairs
Washington, DC
July 3, 2006

“U.S. Arms Export Control Compliance and Enforcement and the UN Program of Action for Small Arms and Light Weapons (SA/LW)”

http://www.state.gov/t/pm/rls/fs/68550.htm

March 2006
SELECT ICE ARMS & STRATEGIC TECHNOLOGY INVESTIGATIONS

China’s Secret War
By Patrick Devenny
FrontPageMagazine.com | March 31, 2005
search China ” night vision” arrested


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