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Arab Nationalism, Islam Overlap Fred Thompson Spencer Abraham

July 31, 2007

Robert Spencer at Dhimmi Watch.
Treatment of Palestinian Christians ‘Medieval’
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/017594.php
Yet most Palestinian Christians still identify entirely with the jihad imperative. Will they awaken to the fact that this is not in their best interests before it’s too late?From Charisma (thanks to Andrew Bostom):

(July 30, 2007) – Arab Christians are leaving the Palestinian territories in droves due to discrimination and persecution from a Muslim-dominant police force and government, Dr. Justus Weiner, a distinguished scholar in residence at the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, told reporters and academics at the Hudson Institute in Washington D.C. on July 17.

The questions raised by the article or elsewhere are

1) Does Arab nationalism exist?

2) What does it consist of?

3) What is the relation of Islam to Arab Nationalism?

4) What is the relation of jihad to Arab Nationalism?

5) If jihad overlaps, at least for some people, with Arab Nationalism, can this set of some people also include non-Muslim Arabs?

Do specific people in the US like Spencer Abraham fall into the group of non-Muslims who identify with, at least in part with Arab Nationalism and the overlap of Arab Nationalism, at least in part, with jihad?

Debbie Schlussel , Vanishing American , and others have been commenting on Fred Thompson hiring Spencer Abraham.

Are there people in these groups who make statements consistent with such views?

Act consistent with such views?

Actually advocate this?

Deny this exists for any person?

search: Debbie Schlussel Fred Thompson 

==Immigration Votes Fred Thompson

http://profiles.numbersusa.com/improfile.php3?DistSend=TN&VIPID=743 

Fred Thompson, we naturalize 500,000 per year.

http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2007/06/fred_thompson_on_immigration_w.html 

Naturalize means give citizenship.  Actually the number is higher.

==Spencer Abraham immigration votes

http://profiles.numbersusa.com/improfile.php3?DistSend=MI&VIPID=401 

==DHS immigration statistics

http://www.dhs.gov/ximgtn/statistics/ 

700,000 naturalizations (citizenship) in 2006.

1.2 million permanent legal status petitions granted in 2006.

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Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch Saving the West

July 18, 2007

Today at Front Page Magazine, is an article on Robert Spencer and how he came to do his work at Jihad Watch.

“Jihad Will Destroy Us If We Don’t Act Now”
By Ed West
Catholic Herald | July 18, 2007

The following comment was posted there.

Robert Spencer’s example shows how citizens can save civilization when they are called forward.  Harvard didn’t anoint Spencer with a Ph.D. in Saving the West, he just does it.

It may be, and likely is true, as strange as it may seem to Spencer, that he is a key man in saving Western civilization.  This is what gets him up early in the morning posting on Jihad Watch or late at night.  He realizes, and anyone doing what he does can only half realize it, that it does come down to his effort to save the West.

This is how the West was built.  It wasn’t built by people appointed to create the West, it was built by people who just did it.  Gutenberg was not summoned to Rome and told he would change the West by inventing the printing press, he just did it.

If Hitler, Stalin, and Muhammad can appoint themselves to destroy the West, that means you or I can appoint ourselves to stop them and save it.  Don’t sit there and think you can’t make a difference, you are just one person and you don’t have a degree from Yale.

The 19 hijackers didn’t have degrees from Yale.  You don’t need one either.  Let your voice be heard.  Its better to fight now on the internet than fight later with a bayonet.  Saving the West really does depend, gentle reader, on you, right now.  Its your individual effort that is needed to make the difference.

re: David Selbourne above it all at Jihad Watch

December 2, 2006

Robert Spencer: “Here is a silly and misleading piece in The Spectator by David Selbourne, “Apocalypse on the US blogosphere.” Selbourne has written some excellent pieces about the global jihad in the past; his book, The Losing Battle with Islam, while enlightening…”

There are pictures of people jumping from WTC on 9-11. They didn’t have time to look up references or use spellcheck.net so that they could discuss what was happening to them using polite language and proper spelling.

Picture of man in mid air outside WTC

Which of the following statements would this man agree with? Which ones would he want to sign his name to? These are from the Selbourne column.

“There is a world, increasingly driven by unreason, in which voices in the wilderness denounce each other as ‘traitors’, cry out that ‘all I want is no more Islam near me’,”

” It is a world of which the ‘MSM’, or ‘mainstream media’, knows too little.”

“Roughly speaking, the blogging ‘right’ is anti-Muslim (and not just anti-Islam), pro-gun and apple pie, anti-‘big government’ and ‘liberals’ in DC, and generally pro-British, anti-European and pro-Israel;”

“for most of this ‘right’, all-out war has been declared on ‘the West’ by Islam and its ‘terrorists’”

“as Islam’s political fortunes have advanced, irrationality in response to this advance has spread ”

“They are variously said to be ‘dumber than dirt’, ‘godless savages’, ‘losers’, even ‘Koranimals’. As for Islam, or ‘Islamania’, it is (for example) a ‘misogynistic genocidal cult’ which allegedly worships a ‘false pagan moon-rock god of death’ and is ‘eating at the insides of every nation until it is dead’.”

“To Montesquieu in 1748, Islam’s ‘destructive spirit’ spoke ‘only by the sword’; to Schopenhauer in 1819, the Koran was a ‘wretched book’ in which he had ‘not been able to discover one single idea of value’; to De Tocqueville in 1843, Islam was ‘deadly’, ‘to be feared’ and a ‘form of decadence’.”

“A blog-poster declares that the ‘left’ and ‘liberals’ have ‘done nothing but grovel at the feet of Islamofascists’; another that the entire American ‘left’ — who are no better than ‘tares in the midst of wheat’ — are ‘killing this country’.”

“For some, it is ‘the West’ which is done for. ‘We have allowed Islam in. We have sentenced ourselves to death’ is its voice. ”

” London is no more ‘Londonistan’”

than New York is in the above picture.

Would the above man agree with the coverage on TV of 9-11 that day? Would he agree with all the PC statements? Why are PC statements good? Is it possible the man above would consider that PC statements on 9-11 were disrespectful of him? Would he think he deserved the truth to be said when people replayed the picture of him falling?

Did he think his photo would be the backdrop to some TV or MSM person saying polite PC things about the cause of his death?

Was he thinking, I hope no one says any of the things in quote marks above? Or was he thinking that he had been betrayed by the PC mindset, the MSM and the government?

Many victims just don’t have the presence of mind to appropriately state their grievance in PC terms. What about people who are not as educated as Mr. Selbourne? Must they be mute? Can they not speak for themselves? Are their emotions meaningless or unimportant because they can’t be expressed at the Selbourne level of indirection?

History is about change. Most of that change has losers, some are complete losers.

Most victims in history don’t have time to look up a scholarly text to cite statistics. Most victims can’t do a statistical test on how many people really are behind what is done to them. However, we do. So let’s review some.

In 1914, Asia Minor or Anatolia was 40 percent non-Muslim. Now its less than 2 percent.

What about the statement of Talaat Bey during the genocide of the Christians in Turkey? How does that stack up on the Selbourne analysis?

From January 13, 1915 New York Times:

“Talaat Bey, the Minister of the Interior, has stated to the Councillor of the Greek Patriarchate that in Turkey henceforth there will be room only for Turks. While he was profuse in assurance to the Greek Minister regarding the cessation of anti- Greek persecutions, no real amelioration of the situation is perceptible.”

Does Talaat Bey’s statement fall into the “lunatic fringe” category? Asia Minor went from 40 percent non-Muslim in 1914 to less than 2 percent today. Constantinople was over 50 percent Christian as Robert pointed out earlier and is now in the 1 to 2 percent range. So what Talaat Bey said happened.

Sometimes what the “lunatic fringe” says is what happens. How many times has that happened? Is it 1938? Did Talaat Bey really mean it? Or was he too educated and sophisticated to mean it?

Links with references on above stats and quotes

The man jumping from WTC on 9-11 never got to tell us what he thought.  If his thoughts were known as he jumped, they might not be PC.

When do people get to say they don’t want to be killed or taken over?  When can they tell Congress to stop immigration? After they are attacked and by luck survive?

Do they get to prepare for that?  Can they talk to each other to prepare?  When? After they pass the Islam A Level Exam?

This article represents hypotheses, speculation or opinion. All other disclaimers apply.

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