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Senators John Warner and Jim Webb Please Vote stop H-1B

March 5, 2008

Senators John Warner and Jim Webb please vote against the secret H-1B deal being cooked up in the Congress now. This is very much against the interests of the people of Virginia. We are tired of losing our jobs and chances so that Northern Virginia tech moguls can get bigger houses.

Jim Webb promised to vote against guest worker. This is a guest worker bill. Jim Webb said that Harris Miller was the “Antichrist of outsourcing.” Well Bill Gates is the anti-Christ of H-1B and he is up with his money roaming around the Senate buying votes and ending our future.

Senator Warner recently had a chance to see that the hospitals in Northern Virginia don’t hire Americans on staff very much anymore. They have no Americans need apply for nursing and doctors jobs. Many of the nurses and doctors have trouble speaking English. They also make errors with medications because of their poor reading, writing, speaking, and listening skills. These add costs.

A small surgical procedure can turn into a long stay because the wrong medicine is used and this produces side effects. That drives up costs. There is no savings when patients have to spend extra days in the hospital because their heart becomes unstable from the wrong medicine.

Senators Warner and Webb should remember that the INOVA they see is much better than the one we live under. We are the ones who get the doctors who mix up the wrong medicines and ignore drug interactions until after it shows up in the heart or other organs not functioning and thus requiring a longer hospital stay.

They get taken to the ER that is closest. However, the rest of us have had to be taken to a farther ER because the near one is full. This has happened twice in my family in the last year. This is real. We are not getting proper care and we are not getting prompt care. This is because of 3rd world immigrants clogging INOVA. But we are also getting poor care in INOVA because of the failure of communication from the lack of good English skills of the staff.

Not everyone can understand some of the accents of the doctors and nurses. This creates problems. You need to stop listening to Bill Gates. Bill Gates is disloyal to the people of this country. The prosecutors in the antitrust division of the DOJ looked the other way on his possible perjury or antitrust violations. He was given a second chance. He repays that by betraying us.

Senators and Bill Gates are responsible for each case of the wrong medicine being prescribed. They are responsible for every case where a person is taken to an ER farther away. They are responsible for the long waits in ER’s. If you don’t call 911 but go yourself, and you go to the closest ER and its full, then you may wait forever. We deserve better than this. We deserve senators who vote for us not for the money Bill Gates has.

Jim Webb won the Democratic primary in 2006 because he was against guest workers. He also won against George Allen because Allen supported the Skil Bill to increase H-1B. Those who wish to replace Senator Warner need to come out clearly against any H-1B increase or even continuation of H-1B. We need to end this taking of good jobs away from Americans.

There is no reason we need to import any nurses or doctors into this country. This has to stop. Senators need to learn loyalty to this country. We see your handiwork when we go to INOVA and get 3rd world medicine. We get the wrong drugs and the long waits because of immigrants, legal and illegal. We are not being fooled by you because we experience it with our own eyes and feel the pain ourselves or see it in the eyes of our family members. You need to stop pushing us down by H-1B and legal immigration and amnesties.

We wish the best for Senator John Warner with his heart condition just as we do for all of us in Northern Virginia or Virginia. Senators who want medical care that is accurate might also want to think about their vote. They can get Bill Gates money but what does it profit them if a 3rd world doctor gives them the wrong medicine that interacts with one of their existing medications?

Senator Byrd also recently went to the hospital for care.

Senator Byrd has a great record of voting against legal immigration. He is a real hero to the people of this country. Senator Byrd is loyal to the people of West Virginia.

Information on the secret H-1B increase:

4 March 2008

New H-1B Deal Being Hatched By Industry, Hispanics, And Congresss

Last week I sent out a newsletter warning that a deal is being worked out on Capitol Hill to pass a large H-1B increase.

==Virginia 2008 Senate Candidates should know this is an important issue to us. We are tired of Bill Gates 3rd world medicine in Virginia. Every time a 3rd world doctor or nurse replaces an American, its Bill Gates doing it to us. Those taking Bill Gates money should think about that. Every computer programming job taken is from Senators taking Bill Gates money. Every spy from China is a Senate guest of Bill Gates.

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Voter opposition to H-1b has been discussed by posters at the Washington Post political blog, the Fix:

This is aptly named, because Bill Gates is trying to apply the fix now. We are also seeing our medical care needs to be fixed. We don’t want anymore 3rd world medicine in Northern Virginia. The Senate did this to us. Our having to go to ER’s farther away is from the Senate’s immigration bills. They did this to us. The pain we feel is from the senators.

Democratic Underground has discussion directed to Mark Warner to stop H-1B.×1950642

I liked all the candidates in ’04. I will probably have just as difficult time deciding among them in ’08. Mark Warner was good for Virginia. If he will cut down on the number of foreign professionals who are brought in on H-1b visas to take jobs away from Americans, I may go for him in the primary because he is my former Governor and he did an exceptional job.

This was not posted by me and was posted in 2006.

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George Allen co-sponsored Skil Bill and lost. Allen betrayed his base and when he got into trouble, he didn’t have enough of their votes. George Allen immigration votes here. It was exposed that George Allen had options on high tech firms while he was voting for H-1B for those firms against the voters. That came out before the 2006 election.

Mark Warner is also part of the H-1B complex in Northern Virginia. He already starts out down on this issue.

In the early 1980s, Warner served as a Senate staff member to Sen. Christopher Dodd (D-CT). He later used his knowledge of federal telecommunications policies as a broker of cellular phone franchise licenses, making a significant fortune. As managing director of Columbia Capital Corporation, he helped found or was an early investor in a number of technology companies. He was one of the early investors in Nextel, co-founded Capital Cellular Corporation, and built up an estimated net worth of more than $200 million.[2]

Warner involved himself in public efforts related to health care, telecommunications, information technology and education.

We don’t need Mark Warner selling us out on H-1B to increase his 200 million dollar stock portfolio performance. We don’t need more 3rd world medicine and longer ER waits so that Mark Rich can make more money in the stock market or from his pals in the Northern Virginia business community.

As Governor of Virginia, Mark Warner amended legislation to give in-state tuition to illegal immigrants:


We don’t need Mark Warner to betray us on illegal immigration and H-1B as a senator. He needs to be loyal to the people of this state. He needs to stop 3rd world medicine’s growth and takeover of Virginia. Every person in Virginia who is a victim of 3rd world medicine here has a right to ask the Senators who voted for immigration to explain themselves and why they took Bill Gates money in exchange for the pain and suffering of our family members.

Our prayers and best wishes are with Senators Byrd and Warner that they receive the best care and continue long and healthy and productive lives. We also extend that to everyone in the INOVA 3rd world medical system.

We also extend best wishes to Senator John Warner’s staff to find new jobs. Men’s median wages are the same as in 1973. Women’s median wages are what men made in 1960. Productivity has doubled since 1973 but its all gone to Bill Gates. A parting gift to his staff from Senator John Warner is to stop H-1B. Graph of men’s and women’s median wages since 1960 is at page 16:

Maybe if we paid nurses and paramedics better we would have a better health system in INOVA.

==Nancy Pelosi H-1B Deal

==Third World Medicine

The NHS is verging on “third world medicine” in parts, the new president of the British Medical Association has said.

Sir Anthony Grabham, speaking in a personal capacity at the BMA conference in Harrogate, said one-third of the NHS was of high quality, the second reasonably good but the lowest third was of great concern.

Criticism of this view here:

The new head of the British Medical Association says parts of the NHS are verging on “third world medicine”.

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Third World medicine in First World cities: capital accumulation, uneven development and public health

David G. Whiteis
School of Public and Environmental Affairs, Indiana-Purdue University at Fort Wayne, Fort Wayne, IN 46805, USA

Available online 7 July 1998.


This paper addresses issues of public health and access to care for the urban poor in the context of current U.S. urban, economic and industrial policy. The pathologies that threaten “inner city” neighborhoods are the result of decades of political neglect, economic exploitation and resource withdrawal, which themselves stem directly from public and corporate sector strategies to facilitate capital accumulation and consolidation.

Capital Accumulation strategy? Would that be Bill Gates courting Nancy Pelosi for H-1B’s?

Speaker Pelosi Poised to Give Millions of U.S. Jobs to Foreign Workers

NumbersUSA’s Capitol Hill Team is hearing numerous reports and seeing signs indicating that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is negotiating to give millions of American jobs to foreign workers.

Pelosi’s backroom deals appear to be motivated by fear that a group of freshmen Democrats may get most Republicans to help them force a vote on the enforcement-only SAVE Act (Secure America with Verification Enforcement). That bill — with 148 bi-partisan signers in the House and Senate — primarily would drive millions of illegal aliens out of their jobs. But Pelosi is trying to ensure that if the bill comes to a vote, it will include huge increases in H-2B and H-1B visas for foreign workers of all kinds – and, that it will include millions of legal work permits for all the illegal aliens currently holding jobs unlawfully.


Pelosi Gates H-1b

Gates Buffet are giving their wealth to the third world not to the Americans whose lives fueled their path to riches and celebrity. Without the American working class and middle class, Buffet and Gates would never have had their success. But they show their real emotions by saying they have no loyalty to the people who made their success possible. Are they the teachers of senators?

Bill Gates Buffet “third world”

By Joe Guzzardi

Pelosi sits near the top of the list of wealthy Congressmen. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Pelosi and her husband have amassed a fortune approaching $55 million—much of it from real estate development and Napa Valley vineyard ownership. (Take a few moments to peruse the C.R.P. list to find out how much money your local representatives have in the bank.)

And it is a near certainty that part of her and her husband’s wealth is derived from illegal immigrant labor. Their vineyards use non-union labor to pick grapes and sell those grapes to non-union wineries. Read the various Internet blogs on the subject—including our friends the Lone Wacko and Flopping Aces.

Take it from someone who just this morning walked though a Lodi, CA. vineyard with his dogs—illegal aliens work in those fields.

Pelosi doesn’t pay their medical care and wants us to give up our medical care to pay the bills for her workers. She wants to degrade us to the same level. Another impact of her employment and immigration policies is to bring third world diseases here. That costs us money too. That is another version of third world medicine brought to us by Bush Clinton Kennedy Obama McCain Pelosi. Vote Constitution Party for President if you don’t want one of these diseases to finish off someone in your family or leave them lingering with endless misdone paperwork in our third world medical complexes.

Free Fax at Numbers USA from your computer to stop H-1B and legal third world immigration.


Anxious GOP Focuses on Not Losing Senate

November 4, 2006

Tight Races in Va., Mo. and Tenn. Seen as Crucial; House Outlook Remains Grim

By Charles Babington and Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, November 4, 2006; Page A04

“Republicans entered the campaign’s final weekend yesterday desperately trying to keep control of the Senate, with three or four tossup races likely to determine whether the GOP can cling to power there even as it sees its hold on the House eroding.”

The GOP Senators have sold us out on our job security to lobbyists and law firms. George Allen is a cosponsor of the Skil Bill to allow unlimited H1B visas for almost every type of job in America if the person is educated here, and to vastly increase the number for those not educated here. John McCain almost openly calls Americans bigots for wanting to keep their job security.

The Senate GOP through senators like Mitch McConnell can’t hide their disdain for ordinary Americans who want to keep their jobs. He has a smug smirk on when talking about H1-B just like George Allen.

George Allen got options in high tech firms that use H1B’s to pay lower wages so that the stock price and thus Allen’s options go up. Allen has pushed Skil Bill to increase H1-B’s to support his options as other Senators do for their options or stocks. They can’t hide their smug smirks when they do this and their disdain for the stupidity of their base to vote for them while they betray us for money.

This article represents opinion, hypotheses, speculation and frustration that we don’t have referendums to decide immigration and other hot button issues. All other
disclaimers apply.

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Young adults need stable jobs, no immigration

October 27, 2006

What lets young adults get married young, have kids and stay married is stable jobs. Immigration takes that from them. Immigration erases job stability.

Immigration takes job bargaining power from the young adults and gives it to employers. Without job bargaining power, young adults don’t have job security.

Without job security, young adults don’t have marriage security. Without marriage security, young adults don’t have security.

A society where young adults have security and are married and have kids is a safe place. That is what America was before the 1965 Immigration Act.

A society where young adults can’t get married and have kids because job stability is taken by immigration is a world of chaos and strife. Its a world where teenagers are wild because they aren’t stabilized into young adulthood with a job and marriage but instead have no prospects of stable jobs and so they just go wilding.

That world of insecurity and instability is America today. Its getting worse. That is why teenage boys engage in Columbine type killings, they aren’t grounded because society isn’t grounded. Society is grounded by young adults being married and in stable jobs.

We can see that in academia, where young adults are without security and don’t have kids or bargaining power. The profs use H1B and foreign TA’s and grad students to take bargaining power from young adults.The result is that young adults don’t have kids and the profs take credit for their discoveries.

The Senators represent the old, by definition of Senator. They are against the young adults. They try to take bargaining power from young adults.

This is what Cornyn and George Allen did in the Skil Bill, S. 2691. This is to increase H1B’s and take bargaining power from young adults. This includes nurses, programmers, engineers, etc.

Cornyn and Allen are creating a society of chaos where young adults don’t have job security but instead are without stable jobs and without stable marriages. The result is that teenagers are looking forward to a world of chaos without stability and they act that out. If they knew they were about to get stable jobs and be married, they would be picking out mates.

That’s what they did in the 1950’s. That’s the America we need to get back to. Its an America that was stable because of structural elements in society that created stability.

The structure of a society creates expectations. Expectations mold behavior. When teenagers see stable jobs and marriages 2 or 3 years out, they pick out mates, learn job skills and are stable.

When teenagers see men from 20 to 65 without stable work, without respect, without dignity, they go wild. They don’t steady down, pick a mate, learn job skills and transition into a stable adult life, because there is no stable adult life to transition into.

Teenagers take on the nature of the society they are about to enter into. If the society is stable has steady jobs for young adults to old adults, they will be stable. If the society is an open border of chaos, the teenagers take that on themselves and reflect the chaos of the adult world.

This post represents hypothesis, speculation and opinion. All other disclaimers apply.

“With 2 Weeks to Go, Allen, Webb Ad Blitz Hits a Higher Gear”

October 25, 2006

“Close Contest Fuels Intense Media Drive”

By Michael D. Shear and Tim Craig
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, October 25, 2006; Page B05

Comments WaPo

George Allen wraps himself in the Confederate Flag to signal to his base that he is for them, but in the details he is against them. Allen has cosponsored Skil Bill to vastly increase H1B visas of tech workers. We now know this is because he has 15,000 Commonwealth Biotechnologies Inc options that have a strike price of 7.50 but the stock price is 2.

For these to pay off he needs the stock price to go to 17.50 and he makes 150,000 dollars. He was on CBI’s board and knows they need H1B workers to make this happen.

So he pushes H1B to stick it to Virginia workers. He uses the macaca comment to pretend he is for his base so he can get his options payoff in secret. He voted for the Hutchison Amendment to S. 2611 to have unlimited guest workers, and then pretended to be for his base by voting against legalization when he knew it would pass anyhow.

Young adults need a 25 year window of job stability to get married early, have kids and stay married. Allen is taking that from them for the sake of his options.

This article is opinion, hypotheses, and speculation. All other disclaimers apply.

“Women’s Vote Could Tip Close Contest”

October 23, 2006

Women’s Vote Could Tip Close Contest
Webb and Allen Temper Records, Soften Images

By Lisa Rein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, October 23, 2006; Page A01

onlineid has hit one issue about Allen, the secret to Allen’s heart is stock options. Allen took stock options from high tech companies between being governor and Senator. Allen sat on their boards and learned they needed H1B employees to make his options pay off. So when he became Senator he did that. He has pushed H1B employees through Skil Bill.

The result is that young adults in Virginia don’t have a 25 year window of job security to look forward to. That means they have a harder time getting married, staying married and having kids. Allen has traded the chances of young women to have stable families and children while they are young for his stock options. Allen’s Skil Bill has unlimited H1B’s for those educated at US graduate schools.

Universities already have uncapped H1B’s and they have responded by eliminating Americans as grad students and professors in engineering, math and science to a large degree. The new profs don’t want to teach Americans math and science in college and the result is that high school teachers aren’t taught it and our kids aren’t taught it. Allen says that means we need more H1B’s.

Allen is the enemy of family formation, of keeping families together, of having children in 2 parent families, of educating children in math and science.

Why does he do it? To make his options pay off. He still has 15,000 options in CBI that won’t payoff unless he gets its stock price up from 2 dollars where it is now to more like 17.50. At that level he makes 150,000 dollars. He also is looking forward to more options later when he leaves government and is paid off by every Virginia high tech firm that uses H1B.

Those firms prefer young adults to be childless and afraid and to devote the love or at least the fear to them instead of a spouse or children. Childless fearful workers make Allen’s stock options go up and he votes for that every time. He is a cosponsor of Skil Bill to make that the law.

In George Allen’s Virginia, young adults are childless, single, afraid and devote all their energy, thoughts and creativity to their employer. In George Allen’s Virginia, everyone is just one night away from a deerhead in their mailbox to remind them of their place. In George Allen’s Virginia, everyone is just one paycheck away from a pink slip in their mailbox and an H1B worker to take their place. In George Allen’s Virginia, Senator’s make millions from stock options either before or after office and vote for Skil Bill and H1B to keep their options going up in price. In George Allen’s Virginia, young adults don’t have children or form families, they are afraid and at work making his stock options go up.

This article is opinion, hypothesis and speculation. All other disclaimers apply.

“In Shift, Allen Launches Harsher Critique of Iraq”

October 22, 2006

“Incumbent Says U.S. ‘Must Adjust’ Tactics”

By Tim Craig and Michael D. Shear
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, October 22, 2006; Page C06

“Virginia Sen. George Allen (R) has been changing his tone on the war in Iraq in recent days as he tries to fend off a challenge from Democrat James Webb, who opposed the invasion even before it started.”

Why does Allen flip flop on Iraq but not on H1B and Skil Bill? Because Allen has 1 million dollars in options in Commonwealth Biotechnologies, and CB has to have H1B visa workers to squeeze out its profits. Allen’s options become worthless if the company can’t squeeze its workers.

Allen didn’t report his options and at the same time pushed Skil Bill and H1B legislation to profit himself, potentially for a payoff of many millions if his options go deep into the money. He won’t do anything to stop that. He wants to be rich, and for us to be poor and that is the choice he has made on H1B and Skil Bill.

Allen will flip flop on Iraq, on our security, on anything except his options and the H1B thralls he counts on to make him rich. Allen thinks he can say the word macaca, wrap himself in the Confederate Flag, and vote for Skil Bill and H1B to impoverish us and enrich himself and we are too dumb to notice.

Allen has contempt for his base. He thinks they can’t see beyond the Confederate Flag to what he really does in the fine print. He voted for the Hutchison Amendment to S .2611 to have unlimited guest worker along with his unlimited H1B Skil Bill, for those educated at US graduate schools, to enrich himself by his own, at the time, undisclosed options.

These are out of the money options, i.e. the stock price is less than the strike. What that means is that if they go deep in the money, they pay off with huge leverage of 10 to 50 to 1. So Allen could get 150 thousand dollars if this Commonwealth Biotechnologies pan out to be worth 17.50 from a current stock price of 2 to 3 dollars.

Their business plan, which he knows from being on their board between being Governor and Senator, is completely dependent on getting H1B workers and squeezing them. Allen knows from the business plan he has to keep the supply of H1B’s coming.

So he doesn’t care if the H1B’s commit a 9-11 terrorist incident on the side, or steal our secrets, or spy for China. Thats incidental to their main job of squeezing our wages and taking away our bargaining power. He needs that to get money owed him in his mind. He will chisel us to keep his chance at the money he feels he lost if the options go deep into the money. So he will do what he can to keep the H1B gates wide open without limit.

==Info on Allen options

Allen has 15,000 options with a strike of 7.50 and the stock price is now under 3 dollars. Allen’s options were extended to 2009 because he became a Senator and the company expected him to help their business plan, i.e. get them more H1B workers.

Options on 15,000 shares when the share price was 10 dollars have to be less than the value of the shares, which would have been 150,000 dollars. Allen has an upside conceivably on these options of 150,000 dollars or more if the stock price goes to 17.50 or more from the 2 to 3 dollars currently.

Allen may also feel that he lost money on these options and has to make it up anyway he can, e.g. by pushing uncapped H1B though his Skil Bill that he pushed in May 2006. If he wants to be president in 2008, he doesn’t have a way to earn money in the private sector until 2012 or 2016, and so he may want money from the options.

Allen became a more serious contender for the Republican nomination for President in 2005 and early 2006, and this is when he became a cosponsor of the Skil Bill. So he may have seen this as a way to push the value of his options.

Since Allen says companies like CBI can’t succeed if they depend on dumb and lazy Americans, we can infer that he desperately wanted a mass of H1B’s from his spring 2006 Skil Bill to save the value of his options and get him the value of these options lost when the stock price went from a high of 9 or 10 dollars to the current 2 to 3 dollars.

Allen blames the stupid and lazy Americans for losing this money and making the options “worthless” and so he will punish them and also profit himself by bringing in millions of H1B’s over the next few years with his Skil Bill. This will get him back the money that the American programmers and scientists “stole” from him by being stupid and lazy.

This is the rhetoric that Allen constantly pumps out and is consistent with his use of words like macaca and his incidents in his early youth. He regards other people as just objects, and if they “lose” him money, its because they are stupid, lazy, and shiftless. So he needs to get other people to replace them.

A person with these resentments is unsafe as a Senator or President. Allen likely blamed Sidarth for his options not being worth as much as well. This is another reason he likely called him macaca. Why aren’t my options back to what they were he was saying. He holds Sidarth responsible, because in Allen’s mind, Indians like Sidarth are smart and hard working, unlike Americans who are dumb and lazy and spend their time talking back to their natural superiors, i.e. Senators.

Reference on Allen options here and at his webpage.

An earlier version of this article and the post at WaPo contained errors because of a misunderstanding of press reports of Allen’s option holdings. The clarification reduces substantially Allen’s potential profits from his options.

==Correction Comment posted at WaPo

Allen stands to gain a smaller sum than conjectured earlier from his current option holdings.  Allen only has options on 15,000 shares of CBI today.  The 1.1 million references other options he held as well in the past.  So Allen’s potential gain from his current option holdings is more like 150,000 dollars if the share price went from 2 dollars
to say 17.50 since the strike price is 7.50.  Allen was given these options in the past and may get more in the future from high tech companies that are benefiting from his Skil Bill and H1B.  So the principle of Allen’s past and future option gains coming from his Skil Bill and H1B as a return favor is valid.  More discussion on this at Old Atlantic Lighthouse


This post represents opinion, hypotheses and speculation. All other disclaimers apply.

“Democrats Strengthen Chances For Senate”

October 22, 2006

“Democrats Strengthen Chances For Senate
Va., Mo. and Tenn. May Tip the Balance”

By Charles Babington and Dan Balz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, October 22, 2006; Page A01


7 Republican seats are in trouble. 6 of the 7 Republicans in trouble either voted for S. 2611, a path to legalization and welfare for illegal aliens, or voted for the Hutchison Amendment S. Amdt. 4101 for open unlimited guest workers, SAFE. Voting for S. 2611 were Chafee and DeWine. Voting for Hutchison open guest worker were Allen, Burns, and Santorum.

Frist, whose seat is open voted for both. Allen is also a cosponsor of the Skil Bill S. 2691 to vastly increase H1B visas with no cap on those educated in the US in graduate school.

Of the 7 Republican seats in trouble, only 1 seat that of Talent is where Tallent voted against S. 2611 and the Hutchison SAFE open guest worker Amendment 4101. Since the Senate is Republican and voted for S. 2611, however, that has likely hurt Talent as well. Bush being for it also rubs off on Talent.

Republican Senators need to ask, are they loyal to Republican voters? On S. 2611 they were disdainful, and some like McCain don’t hide that they consider Americans bigots when they think this country belongs to them. That is the Senate’s message going into this election, Americans are bigots who don’t own this country and have no right to keep it for themselves and their children forever.

Americans who think this land is theirs and their children’s forever are bigots is the Senate’s message. That’s why they are in trouble to lose the Senate. That is Bush’s message. That is Frist’s message.

That’s the message the Republicans go into the 2006 election on. Allen sends that message with his Skil Bill and H1B rhetoric. The Senate has a deep contempt for Americans intelligence, their hard work, and their feeling that this is their land and their children’s land forever.

Morever, under Bush and the Senate’s policies, it won’t be their land even for another 100 or 200 years. 100 cars a day are burned in France. England and Europe are turning into zones that are on the verge of civil war. The London Times has admitted they have an enemy within. The Republicans don’t care about Americans job, physical or speech security. In fact, they act to suppress all 3.

The response to 9-11 was to praise what attacked us and to speak with contempt of Americans who wanted to stop immigration. Bush said another attack was a certainty, and kept the immigration coming to make it one. WTC 93 and WTC 01 and Pentagon 01 were all done by immigrants. Bush is bringing 15,000 Saudi males here.

15 Saudi males killed 3000 Americans on 9-11. That’s an attitude of contempt for Americans and a desire to get rid of them. Don’t the Senators think the people notice it? They think because they have harmed the people so much, the people are sheeple whom they can tell any lie and get away with. That’s their 2006 platform.

George Allen thinks he can use symbols like the Confederate Flag to tell his base he is for them, while at the same time he undermines their job, physical and speech security with his Skil Bill and H1B. He showed that he thinks he can use some symbols to fool his base into thinking that he is for them, and in the fine print like the Hutchison Amendment he allows an unlimited number of guest workers. He knows that S. 2611 will pass and votes with the amendments to make it worse and then pretends to be against it at final passage when he knows it will pass anyhow.

Bush and McCain don’t even use that much misdirection to hide their complete contempt for Americans as bigots to be gotten rid of. Young adults need a 25 year window of job security to form and keep stable marriages and have large families. Bush and McCain think that makes them bigots and imply it to their face and say it openly behind their backs.

That’s the Senate’s message, young adults in America who want large families and stable marriages are bigots and the Senate will make them childless thralls too afraid to speak up. That’s the Senate’s vision for America. Allen called UVA engineering student Sidarth a name that really symbolizes his contemp for his base as much as Sidarth. It was his base that Allen had contempt for. Allen was saying, I can call this guy a name, and my base is too stupid to realize I am betraying them on the fine print like Hutchison amendment or the Skil Bill. Americans are thralls is what Allen was saying and will eat up this rhetoric while I take away their chance to have stable jobs, marriages and families.

—Allen’s Commonwealth Biotechnologies Options
quote party in control right now only looks at thier own bank account and just dont care about ours. end quote thebaizes | Oct 22, 2006 12:53:17 PM. Completely right.

George Allen has options on 15,000 shares in out of the money options in Commonwealth Biotechnologies. They have a strike of 7.50 and the stock is about 2 to 3 dollars. If they go deep in the money, e.g. 27.50, they are worth up to several hundred thousand dollars. Allen was on the board and knows that the business plan depends on H1B workers at low wages.

Allen knows he doesn’t get this money unless he keeps H1B workers going to Commonwealth Biotechnologies. Allen concealed this in his disclosure statements in 2005 and 2006. In the spring of 2006 is when Allen cosponsored the Skil Bill S. 2691 to vastly increase H1B and thus profit this company whose business plan he has read when he was on the board and knows it needs these H1B workers to make his options pay off through leverage.

This is why Allen called Sidarth Macaca in front of his base supporters in SW Virginia. Allen knew he had to send a message to his base he was with them to keep himself in office so he could come through with the H1B workers that Commonwealth Biotechnologies needs to make Allen’s options pay off.

(Note that there was a misunderstanding of Allen’s option holdings in an earlier verion of this article and posted at WaPo based on a misunderstanding of reports of Allen’s options.)

Allen’s disclosure statements are here.
OldAtlantic | Oct 22, 2006 1:39:31 PM
–Correction posted at WaPo Comments
Allen stands to gain a smaller sum than conjectured earlier from his current option holdings.  Allen only has options on 15,000 shares of CBI today.  The 1.1 million references other options he held as well in the past.  So Allen’s potential gain from his current option holdings is more like 150,000 dollars if the share price went from 2 dollars
to say 17.50 since the strike price is 7.50.  Allen was given these options in the past and may get more in the future from high tech companies that are benefiting from his Skil Bill and H1B.  So the principle of Allen’s past and future option gains coming from his Skil Bill and H1B as a return favor is valid.  More discussion on this at Old Atlantic Lighthouse

Voted for final passage of S. 2611, legalization and amnesty

Chafee, Lincoln D. RI

DeWine, Mike, Ohio

Frist, Tennessee

Voted for Hutchison Amendment for SAFE

Allen, George VA

Burns, Conrad MT

Frist open seat Tennessee
Santorum, Rick PA

Hutchison Amendment

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 109th Congress – 2nd Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate

Vote Summary

Question: On the Amendment (Hutchison Amdt. No. 4101 )
Vote Number: 148 Vote Date: May 24, 2006, 06:09 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Amendment Rejected
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 4101 to S. 2611 (Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006 )
Statement of Purpose: To enhance border security by creating a pilot SAFE Visa Program to grant visas to authorized nationals of a NAFTA or CAFTA-DR country who receive employment offers in job areas in the United States that have been certified by the Secretary of Labor as having a shortage of workers.
Vote Counts: YEAs 31
  NAYs 67
  Not Voting 2

Grouped By Vote Position

YEAs —31
NAYs —67
Not Voting – 2
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Burns (R-MT)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dole (R-NC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Frist (R-TN)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lott (R-MS)
McConnell (R-KY)
Roberts (R-KS)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL)
Sununu (R-NH)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA

S 2611 Home Page

ABI Grades

Allen B

Burns B

Chafee F

DeWine D

Frist D

Santorum A-

Talent A

Burns, Chafee, DeWine and Santorum are doing the worst. Thus all the D and F grades of the 7 are doing badly. Note that some of the candidates may have been doing badly and then decided to try to improve their anti-immigration voting record to appeal to the Republican base.

Skil Bill info

Law firm Simmons & Ungar website

Hammond Law Group


Senate cosponors

George Allen (R-VA), Wayne Allard (R-CO), Robert Bennett (R-UT), Michael Enzi (R-WY), and Trent Lott (R-MS). from American Chronicle.
House cosponsors of Skil Bill are

The co-sponsors of the SKIL Bill are Representatives John Campbell (R-CA), K. Michael Conaway (R-TX), John T. Doolittle (R-CA), Jeff Flake (R-AZ), Peter Hoekstra (R-MI), Michael McCaul (R-TX), Mike Pence (R-IN), John M. Shimkus (R-IL), and Todd Tiahrt (R-KS). from EIA.
This article is opinion, hypotheses, or speculation. All other disclaimers apply.

“Allen, Webb Are Not Spotlighting Their Positions on Immigration”

October 21, 2006

Washington Post, welcome to covering the immigration issue in the Allen Webb race for Senate. Why don’t you follow up by asking Sidarth what his position is?

You interviewed him but didn’t ask. Sidarth is an engineering student at UVA who is born in the US and hurt by H1B and Skil Bill that Allen supports. Sidarth joined the Webb campaign before Allen called him Macaca. Webb took anti H1B votes to win the June 2006 primary by only 12,000 votes over Harris Miller a lobbyist for H1B with positions like Allen.

Young adults need a window of 25 years to form stable families and have children. Both Allen and Webb are against them on that issue, as you point out. Why don’t you ask them how young adults can have job security for 25 years in advance to have children with their policies?

Why don’t you ask Webb how illegal immigration will be stopped by legalization? Why don’t you ask Allen how can Sidarth have the economic security as an engineer to get married young and have a big family under Allen’s programs?

Ask Allen if Sidarth isn’t thinking of switching out of engineering because of this. If every American goes to law school to avoid immigration what will happen?

By OldAtlantic | Oct 21, 2006 5:39:35 PM
—Further Comments
Why don’t they ask Tim Russert at Meet the Press why he didn’t ask them any questions on this? What about the other debates? What about the list of questions Old Atlantic posted on the Washington Post website for the last Allen Webb debate? Why couldn’t the Post mail those to the candidates to get answers?

Sidarth can’t have joined the Webb campaign because Allen called Sidarth Macaca. Sidarth joined the Webb campaign before Allen called Sidarth Macaca. So why did Sidarth join the Webb campaign?

Sidarth is a UVA engineering student, who is hurt by Allen’s support of H1B and Skil Bill, while Webb won the June 2006 after calling Harris Miller, “the anti-Christ of outsourcing”. Webb took anti H1B votes, and Miller is an H1B lobbyist. So it would seem that Sidarth joined Webb because Webb was against H1B and Allen is for it.

Why didn’t the Post think about that when they interviewed Sidarth? Maybe the Post couldn’t comprehend that Sidarth couldn’t have joined the Webb campaign because Allen called Sidarth Macaca, since the latter came after the former. Maybe the Post wasn’t covering immigration in the Allen Webb campaign. Maybe the Post just wanted to get Allen, and couldn’t think of Sidarth as a person who had reasons for supporting Webb?

OldAtlantic | Oct 21, 2006 5:58:44 PM
–Allen’s Commonwealth Biotechnology Options and H1B
This was an extremely well written article and well researched on the positions of the candidates. My comments above are relative to the Post editors, not writers.

Webb and Allen filled out answers to 5 questions for a group in Fairfax according to one website, and Webb said he was against H1B and guest worker.

Allen has out of the money Commonwealth Biotechnology options on 15,000 shares with a strike of 7.50. Allen was on the board and knows that its business plan depends on H1B workers. That is why Allen supported the Skil Bill as a cosponsor and the Hutchison Amendment to S. 2611.

Because of leverage, if the stock price goes up, Allen’s out of the money options can become 150,000 dollars or more of in the money options. Allen knows as a former board member that this can’t happen without the H1B workers from the Skil Bill he cosponsored.

Allen wraps himself in the Confederate Flag and calls Sidarth Macaca because he thinks his base will be fooled into thinking he is for them while he is really selling them out with his Skil Bill for what he hopes will be 150 thousand dollars.

(Note an earlier version of this article incorrectly stated Allen’s upside due to a misunderstanding of press reports and blogs on Allen’s options.)

OldAtlantic | Oct 22, 2006 1:26:45 PM
–Correction Posted at WaPo Comments
Allen stands to gain a smaller sum than conjectured earlier from his current option holdings.  Allen only has options on 15,000 shares of CBI today.  The 1.1 million references other options he held as well in the past.  So Allen’s potential gain from his current option holdings is more like 150,000 dollars if the share price went from 2 dollars
to say 17.50 since the strike price is 7.50.  Allen was given these options in the past and may get more in the future from high tech companies that are benefiting from his Skil Bill and H1B.  So the principle of Allen’s past and future option gains coming from his Skil Bill and H1B as a return favor is valid.  More discussion on this at Old Atlantic Lighthouse⊂=AR

“Allen, Webb Are Not Spotlighting Their Positions on Immigration”
“They Differ on Guest-Worker Program and Limited Legalization”

By Karin Brulliard
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, October 21, 2006; Page B05

This post is opinion, speculation and hypotheses. All other disclaimers apply.

Washington Post Comments Oct 2006

October 21, 2006

The Sibel Edmonds case shows similar information retention policies by FBI. Her case was frozen by Judge Reggie Walton who has the Libby case now. She was the FBI translator, see The 9-11 Commission and the Joint Intelligence Committee review of 9-11 both complained of lack of cooperation and being blocked. The Jersey Girls had to pressure the 9-11 Commission to be formed. That Commission didn’t disclose the July 10, 2001 briefing of Rice, who didn’t disclose it to the 9-11 Commission.⊂=AR

===Questions for George Allen Jim Webb Senate Debate
Questions: 1. Does Jim Webb oppose H1B? Is that why Sidarth joined his campaign? 2. Do they believe that Pakistan has supported the Taliban against US troops at any time from Sep 11, 2001 to date? 3. NATO’s commander in Afghanistan flew to meet with Musharraf to get him to stop this support. What should we do with Pakistan? 4. Can we allow Pakistan to have nuclear warheads on missiles on subs? 5. To sell those to other countries? 6. Do you believe Pakistan or Saudi Arabia or UAE may have had prior knowledge of 9-11? 7. Should we allow Chinese graduate students to come to the US and get know how when China has used that know how to develop a laser to block our satellites? 8. AQ Khan got his Ph.D. in Belgium and his know how for nukes in Pakistan. What is the cost of this? 9. Doesn’t this show that we lose money by giving away our know-how? 10. We invaded Iraq for WMD, that costs us 300 billion to 2 trillion if you use the Stiglitz economic cost. Doesn’t that have to be counted as cost from loss of know how? Same for Iran if we attack it. 11. Should we do a ground invasion of Iran to prevent them getting nukes? 12. Did Pakistan use its May 98 nuke test to start a program of terrorism against us and attacks on India that they pretended were terrorism? 13. Isn’t that why Iran wants the bomb? 14. Did Pakistan engage in its program of supporting terror after May 98 nuke in order to get money?

addl questions

Kunduz. Do you believe it was appropriate to let Pakistan evacuate its generals and advisers to the Taliban in Nov 2001 from Kunduz as reported by Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker?


Bush has refused to negotiate while North Korea built nukes. Bush did nothing in that time, no blockade, no strike on their position. North Korea got stronger during the no negotiation period, and the US position went nowhere. This shows the North Koreans had the better strategy during the last few years than Bush. One issue is whether to strike North Korea’s processing plants so they can’t build more weapons. This will freeze them at their current levels. A second issue is to impose a complete blockade. A third issue is to cut China’s exports to the US by one-half and stop all Chinese immigration to the US. Do this first and if China applies pressure to North Korea, then they will be taken off. We need to be the one whose position gets stronger as talks drag on. We do this by taking away China’s knowledge transfer from the US up front and half their exports. Then they have to earn their way back to getting their exports. China and NoKo despise us as bought and paid for by Chinese lobbyists and kompromat.


Increasing the US military’s size substantially to the level it was in the first Gulf War, an all volunteer force, would help us with North Korea, Iran, Pakistan, UAE and Saudi Arabia all at the same time. Just having the bigger stick would send that message. This means rolling back part of the Bush tax cuts. Is that why Bush didn’t do it after 9-11?Is there any mistake Bush hasn’t made?


More Questions: Seymour Hersh reported in the New Yorker that the Bush admin let Pakistan airlift 2 Pakistani generals from Kunduz in Nov 2001 as well as advisers to the Taliban and even “former” Pakistani soldiers and ISI men. Do you believe that report? Others have confirmed it. Do you think this means Pakistan was fighting us after 9-11? What does that imply if true? Musharraf lied about the tribal chiefs making the truce and no Taliban involved according to Frontline’s the return of the Taliban. Is Pakistan against us? Should we let them put warheads on missiles on subs and sell those to Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc? What should we do about Pakistan?


Does this show a basic concept problem by Bush & Co?Where have they been? What do they think about? How do they spend their time? This was true from the day they took office and brushed off Richard Clarke. What is wrong with them? Why are they unable to improve any situation? Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia’s spreading extremism, China building up know how and hollowing out our industry, immigration that takes our job and physical security and they predict future terrorism from it, an Iraq war whose stated purpose is to impose an Islamic Republic and uphold religious law and courts, and the same in Afghanistan, deficits, torture, etc. Where do all these concept failures come from? A hollowed out military as well.


More questions: Should immigration be halted for a time? Do young adults have a 25 year window of job security to have children? Does job insecurity prevent marriage formation by young adults? Does job insecurity cause marriages to fail? Can teenagers, minorities, etc. get starter jobs while we have immigration? Can teenagers and college students in summer get good jobs in construction today like they could in the 1960’s? Do Americans have the lifetime job security, health insurance, work place dignity and respect from management they had before the 1965 Immigration Act? Should that Act and all subsequent versions be repealed? Did the 1965 Immigration Act undo the 1964 Civil Rights Act? Borjas of Harvard has released a study that it does in effect. See Steve Sailer, Borjas at Vdare. Do the people of any country support immigration into their country? Which countries that we have immigration from, take in as many Ameicans to that country? That take immigration of the same scale into that country? Isn’t immigration to benefit them, Jim Webb and George Allen personally and hurt us the voters? Why wasn’t immigration stopped after WTC 93 attack? Why not have WTC 2001 attack? Why should Americans die for immigration from terrorists or in street crime? Should the constitution be changed to have a national referendum so that immigration, abortion, etc. can be decided by the people and not by them?


More Questions: For each of the following countries, describe what is the main threat or problem to the US, what Bush has done, what he should have done, and what he should do now: North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, China, Russia, Mexico, Cuba. Should we have a master strategy in the Middle East and Central Asia and make decisions in Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc. based on how it helps the master plan, or should we have isolated separate plans with each country as if they didn’t fit together? Are we at war? With what or whom? Is it the same thing that attacked the Eastern Roman Empire in 633? Related to it? Do Middle East countries view their population as unproductive, so they don’t care if they die? Does that mean Mutual Assured Destruction can’t work with Iran, Pakistan, etc? Same on North Korea?


Because we let China do anything it wants when it wants it doesn’t respect us. We have given China our know-how and so they have contempt and disdain for us. We have given them our industries, so they have contempt and disdain for us. China is infiltrating the US and looking for academic kompromat on professors who write letters of recommendation or take jobs in government. China looks for dirt on profs to influence CFIUS decisions. The US has lost control of its math, physics, engineering, econ depts and b schools. China and Russia are fighting over who controls them.


North Korea isn’t a small child that is hungry, its a large teenager that has guns and drugs and is a member of a dangerous gang. The main parent, China, ignores it, and the people in the community are afraid of it. It is building weapons to threaten the police station, America, so that its guns can’t be taken away from it. It has sold guns to other similar troubled teens.


and its sibling rival is afraid of it.

time to hold its parent responsible for its behavior.

It should have condemned itself for inaction for the last 4 years, and then Bush for starting this and then going off and fighting a war in Iraq. To get North Korea to act as we want, we have to combine a situation that gets worse for it as negotiations go on with an opportunity to gain something by giving up its nukes. Since it gains by nukes now, it sees that its policies are working. Blockade it, make China blockade it by land or lose its trade and know-how transfer from us, find its offshore bank accounts and confiscate them, and do the same to countries that have bought its missile technology like Pakistan.⊂=AR


Fieldmice good comments. We make China blockade N. Korea by taking away 1/2 their exports to the US and their know-how transfer through grad students here and H1B here. We do that up front and then if they blockade N. Korea, and NoKo gives up its nukes and nuclear processing plants and reactors, then China gets its exports restorted, but not its know how transfer.⊂=AR


We can take steps that pressure China without saying so. Rather than end China’s H1B, end the entire H1B. Same with foreign grad students in science and math. End all such allowances. This way it pressures China but looks equal. The same on imports to US. Cut them across the board. Also end all foreign take overs of US, i.e. anything CFIUS would approve the answer is no. End family reunification, this again is not directed at China. Have a halt in all immigration, this again is not directed at China specifically. All of these will make China respect us and have to talk to us. Now China gets everything for nothing. It thinks it has bribed Congress and has kompromat on the Bush team. By taking these measures on a fair and equal basis and not singling out China it sends them the message that Congress is loyal to the American people instead of China’s money.⊂=AR


China is the billion pound gorilla, but the US still has substantial leverage. Taking these steps would remind them of that, but not direct it at China. They would lose their know-how transfer by our cutting off H1B and our current policy of excluding Americans in physics, math, econ, business, etc. Ph.D. programs and educating China instead of our own people. By making that universal, we don’t single out China, but it has a huge message effect. Same with cutting back low cost imports and the transfer of our companies to others. They give us very little, and we give them a lot. Right now they think they have bribed Congress into giving them what they want against the interests of the American people. Until that perception is changed, that they control Congress with money to act in China’s interests against the American people, they won’t do anything. That’s what has happened the last 4 years.


Bottomline: China needs to pay a big price for letting this happen. It has also stalled talks on Iran. Its time it paid a price.

By OldAtlantic | Oct 9, 2006 2:33:49 PM .


An arms embargo and minor trade sanctions are designed to have too little impact. This is classic Bush, a strategy that if you succeed, will fail. These sanctions if adopted are pretend sanctions to fool the US public. Bush invaded Iraq and Afghanistan to set up Islamic Republics and uphold religious law and religious court rulings. We aren’t fighting for our values in Iraq or Afghanistan, so we are guaranteed to fail. The source countries against us are Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Pakistan. Like North Korea, Bush gives them a pass. China’s war against us using grad students, H1B and family reunification to get our know-how and kompromat is ignored. The Bush team always design a policy response in advance that even if it “succeed” will fail. This is what they did before 9-11. Bush’s response to Tenet was to ask for the August 6 2001 PDB. As Bush said, he didn’t want policy choices for acting, just a historical document. Bush’s mind anticipates what could succeed and he instinctively avoids it for something that even if it “succeeds” will fail.⊂=AR


As Bush begins to realize a policy choice that could succeed, an immune response takes over to twist it and water it in a way that can’t possibly succeed. Bush’s “solution” is always one guaranteed to look like he is doing something, but only generates cost, death, and a worse position at the end.⊂=AR


Paul Klebnikov was also murdered. Boris Berezovsky earlier sued him for linking Berezovsky to Chechnya. This goes back to Russian politics in the 1990’s. There was an enormous amount of kompromat they had on the West from decades. Much of it was on academia, international agencies like IMF and World Bank, etc. Russia got billions in low interest rate loans in the 1990’s. There was a case US v. Harvard, Shleifer and Hay related to this. For a time, Chubais was on the payroll of HIID, Jan 96, after the big IMF package started in May 95 and then the loans for shares to oligarchs in fall 95. This entire era was better understood by profs and those with close links to academia, including PNAC. Janine Wedel, Tainted Transactions, on line, and David Warsh at Economic Principals covered some of it. The above is, of course, just speculation, not an asssertion of knowledge or affirmation of a conclusion.

By OldAtlantic | Oct 9, 2006 4:09:38 PM |⊂=AR


RE hankomatic1, I think you are right. From Asia Times online, Aug 31, 2006 SPEAKING FREELY
Why Pyongyang is going nuclear
By Kim Myong-chol. quote: Scene I of the first stage is the declaration of nuclear-weapons status. Scene II is to show beyond doubt that North Korea has the nuclear capability to settle the old scores with the US. quote 2: Why did Israel lose to Hezbollah? There are three critical factors: the first is mental, the spirit of martyrdom and discipline; the second intellectual, the art of war; and the third physical, weapons. The third is ineffective in the absence of the first two. This guy is a pseudo spokes person for NoKo according to Bush will ignore this just like he ignored bin Laden determined to attack in the United States.

China is the rogue state against us in NoKo and Iran. Pakistan is a Psychopathic state and NoKo is as well. Saudi Arabia and Iran are close behind. China is trying to undermine our efforts to limit the spread of nuclear weapons, missiles and submarines. They want them to spread. In China’s mind, the US is the “main enemy”. Bush has consistently shown approach avoidance to deal with NoKo, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and China. Russia too is stirring the pot, a useful idiot to powerful forces against them as well. Search on North Korea “War Is Coming To American Soil” for another article from NoKo spokesman saying NoKO determined to attack in the US.


Republicans in the House have only now woken up to the idea that they had to have a record to run on. They thought it was all decided by gerrymandering. They weren’t helped by the Senate or Bush, both of whom wanted to run on a pro immigration platform, which the country as a whole hates, and Republicans in particular do. Now they are realizing that Republicans can stay home, or just vote ballot initiatives and local races. They also have had a foreign policy that makes no sense to anyone, fight periphery wars in Afghanistan and Iraq that bring back memories of Korea, while letting Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and China attack us or harm us through proxies. They are letting China get our technology by H1B, grad students who displace Americans, know-how transfer, outsourcing, Microsoft locating in China, etc. They really need to look at the consequences of their being on China and Saudi Arabia’s payroll, because its not an attractive platform for the party of national security.⊂=AR


Good point dopestar. The best way to end illegal immigration is to end all immigration. That sends a message of no amnesty ever. Illegal immigration is about expectations of amnesty. Ending all immigration sends the message of no amnesty. Combined with a fence all around the border and employer sanctions it will work. But 40 percent or more of illegals are those who overstay student or H1B or other guest worker visas. Ending all these visa programs together with family reunification, which is a path to welfare as Edwin Rubinstein at Vdare has pointed out, is the way to send the signal that there will be no amnesty, ever. We have to send that signal more heavily because the 1980’s amnesty and Bush McCain Kennedy Specter and S. 2611 undermined that signal.⊂=AR


How could Allen change the debate from the Post trying to undermine Allen to issues? Because that’s how voters saw it. Voters are not for the Post’s attack on Allen. They do want issues. Voters have job insecurity from immigration, something the Post promotes. The Post doesn’t understand voters, because its against them on immigration, the main driver of economic insecurity for young adults. This delays marriage, breaks up marriages, limits having children, and undermines our schools and communities. The Financial Times reports a Harvard prof whose research shows diversity creates extreme distrust of everyone, even the people in your own ethnic group. See Vdare blog.This has happened. Allen is for no amnesty, which is about restoring trust by stopping diversity getting worse. That’s what the Harvard research shows. Allen is on the right side of Harvard’s research and the Post is not.


Bush hasn’t met a problem whose solution he can’t avoid. We are attacked on 9-11 by al Qaeda which is supported by the Taliban which is supported and funded by Saudi Arabia, UAE and Pakistan. Bush leaves all 3 of these alone and fights a war in Afghanistan, which history shows is unwinnable, instead of with these 3, which history shows is winnable. Bush starts NoKo off with his speech, and invades another periphery country, Iraq, instead of a main enemy like Iran. Bush lets China fund North Korea’s economy which is building a nuke, and lets China send H1B, grad students, etc. here to get our know how and use it for lasers to blind our satellites. We invade Iraq and spend 300 billion dollars for WMD. Yet we train future scientists for China, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Libya, etc. We are attacked by immigrants at WTC in 93 and 2001 and at Pentagon in 2001 and Bush brings in more immigrants, and says they will cause more terrorism. In the meantime they cause street crime, take jobs, create physical and job insecurity, and increase distrust as Robert Putnam’s of Harvard’s study of diversity shows, see Vdare’s Athena Kerry for a column. Bush has proposed non-sanction sanctions on NoKo that China is already ducking.


tucanofulano gets it right, “illegals strike again”. This is part of the cost of illegals, throwing out all this fruit, plus people dying. Also restaurant ice is unclean. If you feel a little sick after lunch or that fountain sode or ice tea or water, it may be that the ice is contaminated by the bus boys’ not washing properly after the rest room. Most bus boys are illegal, so this is another illegal problem. In both cases, they don’t care about cleanliness of our food, just like they don’t care about violating our laws.


Athena Kerry at Vdare reports on another Harvard study by Robert Putnam. Putnam showed that diversity increases distrust, including of your own affinity groups. This is what is shown in the campaign, distrust is up. Maybe Congress will read this study and wake up that the reason politics is so angry is what this Harvard diversity study shows, diversity causes distrust. The 1965 Immigration Act was the distrust act. After 40 years its destroyed the bonds of trust in our society that Martin Luther King hoped to heal. This society doesn’t have anything like the trust that existed before the 1965 Immigration Act. Time to repeal it and everything since it and go to no immigration like we did in 1924. That is what led to civil rights 40 years later, the end of immigration in 1924. That built the trust that led to civil rights and the Harvard study proves it.


This is the same sort of alienation that has been building hatred of the West in the Middle East, Pakistan, and in immigrant communities in Europe and increasingly the US and Canada. Some say the US is different, but WTC 93 attack and 9-11 show there is terrorism by immigrants here from the Middle East and Central Asia. This builds and gets worse. After WTC 93 the reaction was to say the Republicans were bigots to want to stop immigration in 1996, esp against Buchanan. That produced 9-11 with immigrants who came after 1996. The MSM pre-emptively warned us on 9-11 not to hold them accountable for that immigration or be called bigot. Now they say there is no alienation here, even as the cases build up. Its time to stop immigration. A study by Robert Putnam of Harvard shows diversity causes distrust. This video game builds on that effect. See Athena Kerry at Vdare.


1NationIndivisible is right: quote: If Jim Webb wants my vote, all he has to do is make a few strong, clear statements of illegal transients, controlling visas, eliminating pac rim currency manipulation, etc. end quote. Some questions not asked are: If a person is born in China, grows up there, goes to college there, and is the child of Communist Party officials and is chosen to come to grad school in the US, is that person loyal to their parents and the Communist party or loyal to you, or to Senators like Teddy Kennedy and John McCain? Do you feel it strengthens America and diversity when children of Chinese profs who came to the West in 40’s were trained in physics and returned to build China’s bomb come here and become professors? Do you think they are loyal to their father who built the bomb, or loyal to you? Robert Putnam of Harvard did a study showing diversity creates distrust even in your own ethnic group, see Athena Kerry at Vdare. Do you distrust this study or will you act on it to end immigration?⊂=AR


There are many good comments above. Bush has said he wants minor pseudo sanctions that won’t have much effect or work. Most of Korea’s trade goes through China so searching ships won’t work. There are two articles at Asia Times from a sort of spokesperson for North Korea. search on “War Is Coming To American Soil” or go to and go to Korea. Is China letting this happen on purpose? Does China have a super Afghanistan plan of letting NoKo and Iran and other states get the bomb and fighting us, by nuclear means, terrorism and immigration until we collapse and they pick up the pieces?


From quote Kim’s message: War is coming to US soil
By Kim Myong Chol (“Unofficial” spokesman of Kim Jong-il and North Korea.) end quote. Also quote Why Pyongyang is going nuclear
By Kim Myong-chol
. These two articles give North Korea’s view, which is that they are going to use the nukes against us in the US. Its like bin Laden. When he declared war, the MSM and US admin asked, what does he really want? On 9-11, he answered them. Its the same message and the same response by Bush. He has non-sanction sanctions, which if he gets them he knows in advance will fail. That is Bush’s inner need.


The ones who have met the Wall of Doubt are those
who doubt the need of a wall, along with ending immigration. Robert Putnam of Harvard has done a study showing that diversity creates extreme distrust, even within ethnic groups. The doubters of the Wall are showing this? See Athena Kerry at for a review of the Robert Putnam piece and a link to a FT article on it.⊂=AR


ajsmith quote Its been three months and Im STILL waiting for someone from the Webb team to get back to me with their views about illegal immigration. end quote. quote Allen has been prompt and honest whenever I asked a question. Sometimes he told me things I did not want to hear but he was honest and more importantly, he felt I was important enough to address my questions. end quote. This is exactly right. Allen is for H1B and Skil Bill which will vastly increase immigration and take away job security from engineering students like Sidarth at UVA who is for Webb and against Allen. But Webb won’t tell us or Sidarth if Webb is really aginst H1B. Webb won by 12,000 votes in June 2006 over Harris Miller an H1B lobbyist. Webb won by votes in Northern Virginia against H1B. But besides calling Miller the anti-Christ of outsourcing, Webb has not told us or Sidarth his position on H1B.


By letting the Axis of Evil arm itself with nukes, Bush is part of it. He has let Pakistan keep its nukes after 9-11 and after its advisers have been helping the Taliban for the last 5 years. He let Pakistan airlift two generals from Kunduz in Afghanistan in Nov 2001. Nato’s general has gone to Pakistan to complain about their training Taliban against our troops today. Bush let NoKo build nukes or get closer while he pursued his obsession Iraq. Bush has let Saudi Arabia and UAE fund terrorism world wide and fund textbooks that teach hate that are used in Saudi Arabia and in America. Bush by his inaction and pretending to act when he didn’t is part of the Axis of Evil himself. This has been his pattern from before 9-11 to now.


couldn’t post there.

Bush conf school violence.

Its immigration. Its diversity, Robert Putnam study see Vdare Athena

one reason people resegment by race when they can is because of the
diversity effect. People don’t want to live with people of other groups,
because it has this effect of distrust.


Bush is proposing meaningless sanctions and China wants no sanctions. They will split the difference at .5 times meaningless sanctions. This is the Bush pattern on Saudi Arabia, UAE, Pakistan, North Korea, immigration, hollowed out military, etc. This all comes from his father’s “read my lips, no new taxes” pledge. After 9-11, Bush needed to restore the military to its 1991 level. That meant no tax cuts. Bush jr was convinced this is what lost his father’s election in 1992, so Bush decided to forget it. So he decided to let NoKo rearm in 2002. He decided to let Pakistan keep its nukes and support the Taliban against our troops. See Seymour Hersh on Kunduz airlift in Nov 2001, Pakistan got advisers and generals out of Afghanistan who advised the Taliban against us. This is still going on and the NATO commander went to Pakistan to talk about it. Instead of invading Saudi Arabia for its role in fomenting terrorism and extremism, Bush made a torture pact with it according to Woodward at the White House with Prince Bandar. This is who Bush is. FBI agent Deep Throat said “follow the money”, the 9-11 politician commission said, “Don’t follow the money.”⊂=AR


rpotter quote: Why does it take so long for Europe to reach the same valid conclusion with respect to N. Korea and Iran? And then act on it like a grown up! end quote. This is right. However, Bush didn’t act on it either. He let NoKo develop and he likely will give Iran a pass as well. After 9-11 he had to rescind his tax cut to deal with Pakistan, UAE and Saudi Arabia. But he remembered that is what lost Bush sr the 92 election, so Bush jr decided to ignore the role of Pakistan, UAE and Saudi Arabia. In Nov 01, he let Pakistan airlift generals out of Kunduz who were advising the Taliban against us. NoKo saw that in the New Yorker article by Seymour Hersh. That told them they could get away with arming. Bush signalled by letting Pakistan get away with this airlift and fighting us even after 9-11, that he was a paper tiger. He had already violated his “you are with us or against us” pledge. Bush opened the door to NoKo by the Saudi airlift from the US after 9-11. Bush let Saudi, UAE, Pakistan get away with all this and NoKo figured, why not me?


What Webb needed to do to win was to be for a moratorium on immigration, legal and amnesties. He should have pledged that in all procedural votes, and all amendments he would vote against immigration even if his party leaders wanted him to give them support on procedural votes. If he had done this, he could have created a real populist movement. All our problems flow out of immigration, job insecurity, the top 1/5 get 1/2 the income, young adults lack economic security for marriage and families, and to keep those marriages stable, etc.


The US should consider slowing down action on Chinese visa requests of all kinds, and also inspecting a higher percentage of containers from China so as to slow down its exports to the US. The President can determine based on his personal conversations with Chinese leaders that he finds them deceptive or hostile. This can be based on demeanor, tone of voice, etc. A judge has no authority to revisit as finder of fact such a finding by the president. The president can also make such choices on 3rd countries like Mexico that he thinks might be used for transshipment of goods from China, inspecting more containers. This can be done to slow down Chinese exports. Japan and other western countries can do the same.⊂=AR


Because of the loss of job security from immigration, as well as physical security, voters can’t choose based on character, but on which candidate will stop the deterioration of their job and physical security. Allen is against legalization, and Webb is for it. Estimates of illegals go up to 20 million by a financial service firm. See blog at Vdare. Immigration takes away job security because employers can fire and hire the new people. It takes away starter jobs from teenagers and minorities. It takes away safety jobs from older workers. It uses up land and other resources, so that laid off managers have less opportunity to start businesses. It transfers security and bargaining power to employers. This has gone on since the 1965 Immigration Act. Americans don’t have the luxury of being offended anymore. The loss of job security and 9-11 show that its not our nose we have to worry about, its the lack of a firm place to plant our feet.

By OldAtlantic | Oct 11, 2006 8:41:57 AM


Aid supports dictators. That is what aid from South Korea, China, and the US to North Korea have done, support a dictator. The total suffering and death is increased. Aid disturbs equilibrium mechanisms within a society. It destroys the middle class and reduces restraints on the ruling class. The result is more bad behavior from the rulers, who no longer are dependent on their own people for production. To some extent, oil wealth does that as well. The only way to restore the control of the Korean people on the rulers is to stop all aid. Then the rulers have to relax their controls on the people. This has been learned over the years in our experiences with aid to the third world. The same applies to the West Bank and Gaza. We have to take steps that make the NoKo rulers react in ways that advance democracy and restraints on them.

By OldAtlantic | Oct 11, 2006 8:52:30 AM


135ABC quote: JOHN MCCAIN HAS BECOME A POLITICAL HACK end quote. This is correct. The other postings have reviewed the many mistakes made by Bush. The biggest is that NoKo benefits from the status quo of no sanctions. Bush never realized that. China has to be held accountable by a slow down on visas and inspecting more of the containers from there. This can bring their exports down to equal their imports from the US. They use such tactics already in approving US firms in China.


lazuras169 is correct, quote This is going to be funny when he wins. end quote. The Post with their secure jobs and health benefits don’t understand the real world of losing job security and bargaining power with employers. Allen is for doing something about that, no legalization. The Post and Webb are for making it worse. Estimates of illegals are up to 20mm. Voters can’t afford to be offended if they don’t have secure jobs.


The loss of downtown’s great department stores and the loss of the great local names is part of the deterioration of the Washington area. Immigration has been a major part of this. As it fragments the area, the connections are destroyed. Putnam of Harvard has done a study showing diversity creates distrust. Immigration has also created sprawl that puts people too far out to come in. The great names in local retailing were supported by loyalty. Loyalty is destroyed by distrust and as Putnam’s Harvard study shows, immigration destroys distrust.


BrainyDragon comments are very good. The clock on China’s bad behavior doesn’t start today, it started many years ago. They contributed to North Korea’s bad behavior by aid starting over a decade ago. They have intentionally undermined arms control in Korea and in the Middle East and Central Asia. The clock on their bad behavior started a long time ago. This is the marker to impose penalties. A silent slow down on visa approvals of all kinds, just don’t respond at all to the requests for student and H1B and family reunification, and more container inspection will work. They do this to US business in China already.


capitolhillstay quote And Allen helps the working man? end quote. Legalization will hurt the working man. Restoring limits on labor supply is what will help the working man. Total immigration should be zero. This will restore bargaining power the working man, including teens and minorities. It also will help middle aged and older workers who are discriminated against. Employers want young immigrants who they can control.


If Dewine had been against legalization, instead of for it, it would have helped with the Republican base for Dewine and Blackwell. McCain, Bush and Frist don’t respect the Republican base. Their lasting legacy is to be disloyal to their base.


Aid is an alternative source of supply to the leaders of Kora from their people. Aid undermines the bargaining power of the people. That is what Korea is, a country where the people’s bargaining power has been reduced down. Its just like immigration undermines worker bargaining power in the US. With zero immigration, management has to keep its current workers satisfied. This means wages, benefits, scheduling, etc. With high immigration, management can ignore workers wants and reduce wages, benefits, and working conditions. Its the same with aid in Korea. As aid goes up, worker bargaining power goes down. Its a seesaw. So by pushing aid down to zero, the bargaining power of the people will go up. Eventually that produces a new regime. That is history.⊂=AR


Putnam of Harvard did a study showing diversity creates distrust. See Athena Kerry at Vdare. America’s schools have emphasized diversity over all other goals. This has resulted from immigration from the Kennedy supported 1965 Immigration Act. Guns are a marker of extreme distrust. Distrust comes from somewhere. Why is there more distrust today in schools? Diversity is the only answer that fits.


To explain the aid freedom seesaw more clearly we can look at it from Bush’s point of view. Bush wants immigration to aid management to stick it to workers. The more immigration the more outside aid to management to stick it to workers. To give workers more power, you have less immigration, and management sticks it to them less. Which to Bush is bad. But for North Korea its good. All aid, whether outside workers, which they don’t get, or the product of outside workers, food, medicine, etc. aids management, the govt of NoKo. This then undermines the bargaining power of the people. So to stick it to management in Korea, we have to end all aid, even the products of outside workers in the form of food and medicine.


Immigration takes up public resources far in excess of return. This is especially true of illegals and family reunification immigrants. Legalization is a path to welfare. See Edwin Rubinstein of Vdare for this idea. Social Security and Medicare are imperiled because family reunification immigration and the 1965 Immigration Acts other categories have brought in low skill workers. They consume more in total from all 3 levels of govt than they contribute. They also have overburdened the schools and contributed to the violence and distrust that are the norm now in our schools. This undermines skill development and education for all.

=== Axis of Micro Nuclear Powers
An axis of micro nuclear powers will have subs off our shores and ask for 1 trillion a year in tribute. NoKo and Pakistan want to spread nuclear technology.How do we know? They’ve already done it.Pakistan has a shipyard for subs the French built for it. They have spread technology to Iran, Libya, and North Korea. The micro nuclear powers are too small for one to take on the US. They see strength in numbers. They want NoKo, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Iraq, Turkey, al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, Fatah, Lebanon, etc. to have subs with nuclear missiles off the coasts of US, Europe, Japan, China, India, Australia, Canada, etc. They are willing to actually launch to make a point and because the US wouldn’t know who launched. Their people are not productive, so if we kill their people, they don’t have to split their protection money from us with them. Their concept of war is not mutual assured destruction, because their leaders are not loyal to their people, even less than ours.⊂=AR


11kap quote: ONCE ANY COUNTRY GETS A NUKE, THATS STALEMATE. end quote. CSIS had a discussion this morning, see their website. This came to a similar type conclusion. The Democrat response to Bush by Senators Durbin and Schummer also accepted NoKo’s nuke. They blamed Bush not China. Well, countries have given up nukes, Ukraine, etc. So it can happen. This is also a reason for a ground invasion of Iran this winter. That positions us to surround Pakistan and then we can put pressure on Pakistan. We can bomb their processing plants and blockade them. We want to set up alternative supply to Afghanistan first through occupied Iran.Nukes decay. So without processing ability, they will become inert.


Ron Ben-Yishai, Ynetnews Israel has many good points. So does Jonas, Stockholm, Sweden.

We need to invade Iran and leave Iraq. Battle phase deaths in Iraq were 200 total. Occupation deats are 70 per month. The two drivers of occupation deaths are foreign Sunni Arab fighters, that Iranians won’t take into their homes, and Sunni Shiite historic conflict in Iraq, which is not part of Iran’s history.

Pentagon is projecting staying until 2010. At 70 per month killed, we are looking at 840 killed per year or over 3000 in 4 years. For what?

Invading Iran removes their nuclear program and also puts our army on the Pakistan border and opens supply lines to Afghanistan. We then surround Pakistan. We can then put pressure on them, including naval blockade to give up their nukes, subs, and missiles and bin Laden.

Pakistan, North Korea, Iran, etc. would like to have nuclear warheads on missiles on subs. Pakistan has all 3 of these but not all put together yet. The French built Pakistan a shipyard to make subs.

Pakistan, Iran and NoKo can sell such subs with missiles with nukes to Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Libya, new Iraq, UAE, Palestinian Authority, Lebanon, al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, Egypt, etc.

They can form an alliance of micro nuclear powers. They can form a flotilla of subs off the shores of US, Europe, Japan, India, etc. They can charge us 1 trillion a year in protection. If we don’t pay they can make an example. Their people are not productive, they are a burden to them. So if we kill their people in return, it means lower cost to their rulers.

Mutual assured destruction doesn’t work with rulers who see their people as a burden not a benefit. Their concept of war is not the same as ours. Their concept of history is not the same. Charging protection money is something the Arabs have done for centuries and have tried it in every century for a long time.


MikeB’s comments on foreign grad students are right on. It sometimes happens that foreign grad students duplicate parts of published work as their own in their theses, without full disclosure by the profs or school. Here duplicate is neutral on prior knowledge by the student or immediate supervisors. This can happen even when it can be shown some profs at the school have already known of the prior work. The school is supposed to be responsible for a thesis citing prior work, even if the student or supervising prof didn’t know about it.

These situations often become well known. The hiring school also knows of the partial duplication issue it and uses these papers as references for immigration applications. They likely don’t notify immigration of this possible complication. This has been going on for decades. Those involved often cite the students subsequent publication over the prior work for decades and even in textbooks, well after its known there was a prior art work.

Russia, China, and other countries track this. Sometimes those involved get to high level posts in US government or IMF and World Bank. These are often profs who went along with it at the Ph.D. granting institution or the hiring institution. Even high level appointees at DOJ may be aware of this complicated situation. Whether this is honest coincidence the reader can consider themselves.

last two not posted.


Ignatius is right. Also chfergservice is right on Bush as a locust who has eaten our opportunities with false rhetoric. He is doing that now. We need to give China a window, but then start putting silent sanctions on it. These include inspecting so many containers from it, that its exports fall to the level of our exports to it. It also includes slowing down visa processing to the level that equals Americans going to China in each category, e.g. grad students in physics. We need to invade Iran and position our army on the Pakistan border. We need to squeeze Pakistan and North Korea to give up their nukes, subs and missiles. We need to do this before Pakistan has warheads on missiles on subs and sells them to Iran and Saudi Arabia and UAE.⊂=AR


halifar59 quote Ask for tribute as opposed to just demanding, or snatching it? Someone needs to tell King W that reasonable folk around the globe consider he and his cronnies to be at least as large a Terror as all those listed above combined. They are greedy robbers, who will resort to all forms of treachery and violence to make their corporations richer end quote. True, unfortunately. We are going to watch the tribute scenario unfold before our eyes as Bush, Blair, etc. lie into our ears. Senators Durbin and Schummer were even worse in their response to Bush, not supporting the US at all, or blaming NoKo or China at all, or Iran. Their message was surrender and submission.⊂=AR


Unpleasant Immigration Arithmetic: Suppose population was stable at 300mm and we continued to have 2mm immigrants per year? People live 75 years, so 4mm die per year. Subtract 2mm immigrants, one has 2mm births. Take 2mm births/4mm deaths, one gets a genetic survival ratio of 1/2 per generation.A generation is 25 years for this purpose. So in 2 generations, one has 1/4 of the starting genes. In 3 generations, 1/8. This applies to each year’s cohort of immigratns as well as remnants of prior year cohorts. This is immigration as a pure substitution effect. Immigration’s direct effect is to increase population, its substitution effect is to substitute for genes here. Population is bounded from above, so eventually all immigration shows up as substitution effect. Thus all genes here, and all those that come here go extinct after a period of time. America is a genetic graveyard.⊂=AR


Nuclear Tribute Flotilla. This is the idea that NoKo, Pakistan, Afghanistan, UAE, Iran, Saudi, Hezbollah, etc. the expanded axis of evil, will have a flotilla of subs from Pakistan’s shipyard the French built with nuclear warheads on missiles off the coasts of US, Japan, Europe, India, China, etc. They will demand tribute. Mutual Assured Destruction only works between rich countries. Between rich and poor dictatorships it doesn’t work. The dictator benefits if his people are killed, because in these countries the excess population is a burden to the government and leads to revolts and attempts on the leader’s life. So exchanging a couple rounds with the West by the micro nuclear powers of the poor actually benefits them twice, get rid of their poor and force the West to pay. Some countries will see this as Jizyah tax, and this as the Jizyah tax nuclear sub flotillia.


joanharlin good points. This is another form of the substitution effect. We are substituting immigrants for wild life in the US. Because the US is a major source of carbon dioxide and other strains on the global environment, we are substituting short term immigrants here, for long term dire consequences to life on earth. To have a few more immigrants now, which McCain and Kennedy and Bush want to vote for them as Great Men of History, the consequence is a risk of global climate change, which could see Florida under water for example.


joanharlin quote Future generations will have to go to zoos to see the wonderful creatures that we enjoyed seeing as kids playing in natural settings. end quote. The current generation can’t imagine the Tom Sawyer Huck Finn childhoods we had back before the 1965 Immigration Act started having an impact. That’s why the play violent video games instead. They don’t know that companies were once family like. That America is gone. They don’t know what job security felt like, and never will. Young adults don’t have the 25 year window of job security to look forward to form stable families while young. Instead they drift, never knowing the America that Kennedy, McCain and Bush grew up in and stole from them.


Jeeter2 quote No President has addressed the fact that China and Russia 24 hours a day 7 days a week work against us, and still believe the cold war is in full swing. end quote. Correct. Why is this? During 1990’s Russia got billions in low interest rate IMF loans. They had detailed knowledge on the Clinton profs at IMF and US govt distributing the loans and decades of interaction with them including requesting they nomination Kantorovich for the 1975 Nobel Prize at a conference in Warsaw in 1972. Jacob Wolfowitz knew of this history from 1952 onwards. The neocons got the Iraq Liberation Act in 1998 during Clinton impeachment hearings and hearings on loans to Russia. This info was also available to use during Bush v. Gore. Porter Goss, Chris Cox, etc called Gore, Talbott and Summers a Troika running away with US policy. Was there kompromat? This is just speculation. Was something used during Bush v. Gore? Did they try to influence the court or Gore? This is just a hypothesis.


jrush18 quote North Korea is an unwilling partner with China and would love to become independent from China but can not because of the sanctions placed on it by the West. end quote. This is an interesting hypothesis. tnusaira has a similar comment. In the case of NoKo, we’ve pushed 6 party talks that China has undermined. NoKo and China do have friction. China has indicated it won’t support meaningful sanctions. The only reason to have the multiparty talks is if we have already decided we want sanctions or war and want to get others to join us. As to Iran, now is clearly the time to invade them with the army in Iraq. Battle phase deaths in Iraq were 200, occupation deaths are 70 per month. We should hit and run on Iran. We should reduce Chinese exports and immigration to the US to the levels that go in the reverse direction. This can be done informally.


shaboobiastuff quote would bush jr. be blaming bush sr. for everything? end quote. He blamed Bush Sr. for not going to Baghdad. This blinded Bush jr to thinking about Pakistan, UAE and Saudi Arabia on 9-12 or North Korea. It also blinded him to warnings before 9-11. Because the small army we had on 9-12 was enough for Iraq, Bush didn’t have to think about increasing it and giving up his tax cuts.


cynthiaandrews | Oct 12, 2006 12:43:35 AM quote Also, I have a problem with an increase in H1B visas. My children are making career training decisions based on this, instead of choosing what they would like to do. end quote. This is another form of the substitution effect discussed under Unpleasant Immigration Arithmetic. Young adults need a 25 year window of job security to get married, have families, and stay married. Job insecurity is the number one limit on family formation and stability. Young adults need to be able to learn math, science, engineering, business, etc. The only profession not H1Bed in large numbers is law. So what happens? Americans flood law school, and the substitution effect is transferred into the depression of lawyer job security. Many J.D.’s end up in a gray temp market that does shadow legal work at extremely low rates.


The integrity and independence of the legal profession is also stressed by this.

By OldAtlantic | Oct 12, 2006 2:42:25 PM


Possible answer to joetran9373 question. Bush is seeking meaningless sanctions. By getting the UN to agree to them, Bush gets the imprimatur of the UN to pretend he is doing something when he isn’t. This covers up that he caused this to get worse by his axis of evil speech. Bush can’t go to war with Korea, because then people would blame all the deaths on Bush for his axis of evil speech. NoKo, China and Russia understand that. So they prevent the Security Council and the 6 party talks from doing anything. They want NoKo and Iran to have nukes. They are providing nuclear technology to Iran, and probably have provided some intermediate technology to NoKo. They want the US to be inundated by an axis of micro nuclear powers, and for one of those to turn into a nuclear war with the US and that power that lowers what’s left of us down below them as a great power. They want revenge.


To finish thought on why Bush goes along with a weak UN resolution. Russia and China know that Bush needs a security council resolution to pretend he is doing something when he isn’t. They know he has to have a pretend UN resolution to cover up that he can’t do anything because any deaths would be blamed on his axis of evil speech. They use this entire logic to bargain Bush down further on the UN resolution. Bush has to take any UN resolution, because Bush needs a shambolic resolution from the UN for public relations. So they use that to bargain him down further. China is laughing at us. This is what they wanted. Same on Iran. Russia is laughing at us too.


The US and West have to set things up so that the tendency is for things to get better for them. They do the opposite. We educate China’s youth in physics, not ours. This opens up ways for things to go bad for us, and good for them. We have immigration, they don’t. This gives them spies here, our know-how, academic kompromat, and the ability to prevent our children, including children of FBI agents, judges, etc. from getting into physics Ph.D. programs where they can find out what is going on. We give them aid to pump up their population size and support dictators. We do everything that increases the number of ways things can go bad for us, and reduces the number of ways it can go good for us. We have soft profileration of reactors, technology, know-how. We wait too long to react. We fight ourselves instead of them. We don’t educate ourselves on foreign ideologies. We call ourselves bigots and miss that leaders and people in countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, China, Russia hate us. We are fools. Our leaders are disloyal and think of self enrichment or the pages dorm or junkets paid for by Chinese law firms to Asia. China writes segments of our laws and gives them to lobbyist firms who put them in the US code to govern buying our technology, our H1B and Skil Bill, etc.


The US and West have to set things up so that the tendency is for things to get better for China, NoKo, Saudis, Pakistan, Iran, etc. They do the opposite. We educate China’s youth in physics, not ours. This opens up ways for things to go bad for us, and good for them. We have immigration, they don’t. This gives them spies here, our know-how, academic kompromat, and the ability to prevent our children, including children of FBI agents, judges, etc. from getting into physics Ph.D. programs where they can find out what is going on. We give them aid to pump up their population size and support dictators. We do everything that increases the number of ways things can go bad for us, and reduces the number of ways it can go good for us. We have soft profileration of reactors, technology, know-how. We wait too long to react. We fight ourselves instead of them. We don’t educate ourselves on foreign ideologies. We call ourselves bigots and miss that leaders and people in countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, China, Russia hate us. We are fools. Our leaders are disloyal and think of self enrichment or the pages dorm or junkets paid for by Chinese law firms to Asia. China writes segments of our laws and gives them to lobbyist firms who put them in the US code to govern buying our technology, our H1B and Skil Bill, etc.⊂=AR

Last post was garbled. We need to set things up so they tend to get better for us and not for China, etc. That means our physics phd programs are 100 percent American, etc.

By OldAtlantic | Oct 12, 2006 4:47:24 PM

===This is just a holding action to prevent things getting worse at a fast speed. It doesn’t really put much pressure on North Korea. Its to give Bush a way to say he has done something. Bush won’t do anything military because the deaths would be blamed on his axis of evil speech. Russia and China know that and use that to bargain him down. They know he just needs a public relations stunt from the Security Council to cover up his inaction.


I agree with Jeebie. quote Negative population growth will profit all American citizens in more ways than then just the environment. end quote. quote A moratorium on all immigration is also needed. end quote. quote A little pain now will stop the horror of 500 million people living here if SPP happens. end quote. All are exactly right. Bush, Kennedy and McCain need to be asked on these repeatedly along with Unpleasant Immigration Arithemetic and the substitution effect, and all its manifestations discussed above.


New strategy: Hit and Run. Battle phase deaths in Iraq were under 200. Occupation deaths are 70 per month. Iraq is not a threat. They can’t come here and kill us if they can’t come here, i.e. stop immigration. Invade Iran while we have Iraq as a base. 2 drivers of deaths in occupation in Iraq were foreign Sunni Arab fighters, that Iranians won’t take in, and Sunni Shiite rivalry in Iraq, not a factor for civil war in Iran. In Iraq, secular govt was in place and bad, in Iran its a theocratic govt that is bad and in power. So people will want a secular republic, unless Bush insists on Islamic Republic a third time. Leave army around this time, take the theocratic leaders to Gitmo. Invading Iran may help Iraq more than sitting in Iraq and dying. Position our army on Pakistan border to make them denuke and deLaden. Don’t worry about occupying Iran if it gets ugly.⊂=AR

Caricature is good. Also GOP, group of pharisees. Allen is that. He uses the Confederate Flag to send a message to his base that he is with them, while he supports Skil Bill and Amendments to S. 2611, path to legalization and welfare, that made it worse, knowing it would pass and he would pretend to vote against the final version.⊂=AR


Johathan75 is completely right. This is the pressure that keeps people out or makes them go back. There is pressure to come in from outside. There has to be greater pressure from inside to push them out. Estimates are 1 to 2mm a year or more cross the border or overstay student visas a year. Bush is bringing in 15,000 Saudi males as part of this. 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi males. Vdare has reported a financial firm has estimated that total US population is 327 million not 300mm, and that means 27 mm more illegals, for a total somewhere in the 40 to 50 million range. Not enforcing the laws, even without amnesty, makes this worse.⊂=AR


Clinton is smart and articulate as the above point out. But he also let Pakistan and India do nuclear tests in spring 1998. His administration gave billions in low interest rate loans to Russia in the 1990’s while Russia had detailed information on the professors at IMF and Treasury in control of it. Jacob Wolfowitz, Paul’s father knew of that history from 1952 to 1981 when he died. Clinton agreed to the Iraq Liberation Act in 1998 while US v. Harvard, Shleifer and Hay, LTCM bailout hearings, loans to Russia, and Clinton impeachment hearings were all under way. The above is a hypothesis and speculative interpretation.


Bush’s answer to 9-11’s 15 Saudi hijackers is 15,000 male Saudi students. Bush wonders why he is losing at the polls. Pakistan was allowed to airlift its generals out of Afghanistan in Nov 2001 while advising the Taleban against our troops. This is according to Seymour Hersh. Bus wonders why he is losing at the polls. Bush and Congress allowed Pakistani immigration to continue, even as the FBI was sending the message these people are dangerous and the legal system can’t protect us. Bush said a terrorist incident again was a certainty, duh, because he keeps on bringing in the same terrorists all over again. terrorist immigrants attacked WTC 93, reaction bring in more terrorist immigrants, WTC 01 and Pentagon, reaction, bring in more terrorist immigrants. Now Congress and Bush are in trouble.

Bush and McCain call us bigots to want to stop immigration. Well maybe even bigots don’t like being killed by the bin Laden ideology of peace.


There is an article, The War Against White Trash
By John Derbyshire at Vdare. Its about a case in the UK but similar things happen here. A 14 year old was arrested because she was assigned to a study group of 5 Pakistanis who talked in Urdu and wouldn’t talk with her, and she asked to be put in another study group. The teacher had her taken out of class. The principal, Antony Edkins, who is possible Pakistani, had the girl arrested. The reason that Bush, Kennedy and McCain want illegal immigrants is the War against White Trash. These are people they call bigots. They want to take their jobs and economic and physical security. That is why they continued immigration after 9-11. That’s why Blair keeps it going in the UK. Its the elite alliance against White Trash. And anyone who lives in America, is automatically included in White Trash, regardless of race in the Bush, Kennedy, McCain world.


Lurker37 is right. Moreover, as the article on the UK case shows, if we don’t speak up now, the MSM and the Senate and Democrats will take away our right to live in our own land. That is what is happening in the UK. That is what is happening here. The religion of the elite is immigration. Its a religion that, strangely, harms the non-elite in every way possible and makes us afraid and insecure in our jobs and in our speech. The time to speak up is now, while we can. If you want immigration stopped, you have to ask. Write your Senators. Resarch their votes at Americans for Better Immigration and others sites by searching on immigration votes Senator Allen, etc.


Now my comment on Fisher: quote from Fisher the extent of the rage that flowed back from readers seemed a bit of an overreaction. end quote. The Post needs to be less thin skinned when it exposes its own ridicule within for people who vote for Allen and don’t want their jobs, lives, and speech taken by immigration, and want America to stay the way it is, not the suicide mission the MSM want.

seamonsters_5 is right. Moreover, her wearing the veil was meant covertly to convert Christian children in a Christian school. This shows that the West won’t survive because its leaders don’t want it to. If people want to keep their freedom and security they have to ask for it. This veil case isn’t about this woman’s freedom. Her movement is about taking ours. The Pakistani principal who put Codie Stott in jail because she complained that 5 Pakistani boys in her study group were talking in Urdu with each other, probably about her, and wouldn’t talk to her in English. This isn’t just odd things happening, this is a real war to take us over and get rid of us. Its not just odd incidents of bureacracy. Use of the legal system as a tool is deliberate on the part of the groups that funded this case in the UK where legal action is expensive.


mattyj | Oct 20, 2006 9:17:28 AM, jkoch | Oct 20, 2006 11:26:44 AM, and others along similar lines are right. The high probability of good results due to continued American presence is not a known known in Rumsfeld speak. However, Iran is a known known problem, which can be solved by a ground invasion using the army in Iraq. Battle phase deaths in Iraq were 200 and occupation deaths are 70 per month. We can solve the known known Iran nuclear problem at lower cost than continuing occupation of Iraq. This is a known known win win. We also get our army in Iraq to the Pakistan border where the known known problem of Pakistan’s nukes and support of terrorism could then be solved.


The Asia Times reports that S. Korea has rebuffed Rice on sanctions on North Korea. These would include stopping aid and trade. The US may be left with nothing but the military option. Since S. Korea has failed to help us on the economic option, they have only themselves to blame if we are forced to use the military option. America can’t let S. Korea have nukes that can hit us. The leader of NoKo will fire his missiles when he gets old or feels his grip on power fading. He has personally decided to launch his weapons on the US, Japan, South Korea and possibly China just before he dies. The US has to attack before then. South Korea has only itself to blame for its casualties by its decision to block the non-military path to denuking NoKo.


Borjas of Harvard has done a study showing that the 1965 Immigration Act took away economic opportunities from marginal workers in the US. Borjas shows this led to higher crime. This is discussed at This murder is part of the cost of immigration. It doesn’t show up in government statistics that way. McCain and Kennedy and Bush call those who want to stop immigration bigots. They think Americans are bigots who don’t deserve to be able to walk their streets safely or fly on planes safely, or sit in buildings safely. We have to speak up and ask for our job, physical and speech security. The Founding Father said we have to fight for those in every generation.

(in McCain speak, ,this was the death of a bigot, since all Americans
killed by crime are bigots in his mind, who deserved it.)


South Korea is intentionally undermining the economic option. By implication, S. Korea is intentionally leaving us only the military option. S. Korea knows NoKo will build nukes that can hit the US. S. Korea knows they will do this. S. Korea knows that NoKo’s leadership is insane and wants to go out with a blaze of glory that will live in history. So all this is intentional on South Korea’s part.⊂=AR

(S. Korea is also intentionally undermining US efforts to get
China to put sanctions on North Korea.)


Macacagate has run out of steam, along with Mailboxgate, etc. Allen’s stock options are a sleeper issue, because in combination with his cosponsorship of Skil Bill and H1B raise an additional issue. The company Allen has stock options in Commonwealth Biotechnologies likely benefits from Allen’s H1B and Skil Bill actions.
These programs take jobs from Americans to give lower wage jobs to foreigners. It also lets companies have greater bargaining power over intellectual property rights of employees. Thus Allen was benefiting himself in insider legislating.⊂=AR


“With Allen’s Help, Webb’s Fundraising Soars”

October 5, 2006

Allen’s money comes from his support of H1B against the wishes of his base? Allen uses symbols like the Confederate Flag to pretend to his base he is with them, but actually he acts against their wishes in the late of night in the details? Allen’s base is against immigration including H1B but Allen is for H1B.Allen cosponsored the Skil Bill to vastly increase H1B’s.

Allen voted for Amendments to S. 2611, path to legalization, to make immigration higher then voted against the bill in final form. Allen knew when he voted for the Amendments that he would vote against the bill but it would pass anyway. Allen said he was against S. 2611 and legalization, but really he was making it worse as his base saw it knowing it would pass. Is that where Allen’s money comes from?

Did Allen taunt Sidarth the UVA engineering student knowing that Allen was undermining Sidarth’s job security with H1B while at the same time pretending to his base that he was acting for them? Is this the real character issue in George Allen?

=== Comment 2

Webb’s web page has a blogger attacking Allen for H1B and Skil Bill. But Webb has never himself criticized it. Why not?

Webb took votes in June 2006 from Northern Virginia especially by those who thought Webb was against H1B. Webb called Harris Miller the “anti-Christ of outsourcing” in a debate. But Webb has not himself criticized Allen for Skil Bill or H1B.

Webb won by only 12,000 votes in the June 2006 primary over Harris Miller. His assumed opposition to H1B probably put him over. But why won’t he speak out on it? Why won’t he make it an issue?
Why did Sidarth join Webb’s campaign? Sidarth is an engineering student at UVA who will be harmed by H1B and Allen’s Skil Bill. Is Sidarth against H1B? Is that why Sidarth is for Webb, he thinks Webb is against H1B? Why won’t Webb himself say what his position is on H1B?

—Comment 3
Reply to Dipazzo. Read the posting Sir. The point is that Sidarth is born in Virginia and thus he is hurt by H1B. Webb opposes H1B or at least his webpage does. Sidarth is an engineering student at UVA who is hurt by H1B.

Sidarth is possibly a double major and is taking Larry Sbato’s class this fall in politics. Is Sidarth considering dropping engineering because there is no future in it for people born in America? Jim Webb won in June 2006 over Harris Miller because Webb said Miller is the “anti-Christ of outsourcing”.

Webb won by 12,000 votes which was due to opposition to H1B in Northern Virginia, where Sidarth is from. The Sidarth incident happened in August, after June 2006. So Sidarth knew that Webb had called Miller, an H1B lobbyist, the anti-Christ of outsourcing before Sidarth was taunted by Allen.

So Sidarth had to know that Webb was against outsourcing and reasonably that Webb was against H1B. Allen cosponsored Skil Bill to increase H1B and hurt Sidarth who is a UVA engineering student who is born in Northern Virginia.

The reason you didn’t understand this is because the Post did such a bad job when it interviewed Sidarth, they either didn’t want to ask him this or don’t pay attention to what campaigns are aboud. I request a reply on the substance of this Sir.

The reason that Dipazzo didn’t understand the previous posting is that Dipazzo doesn’t think of Sidarth as a person.  This may seem surprising, but its evident.  The posting treats Sidarth as reasoning for his own interest in being for Webb and against Allen.  This had to occur before the incident with Allen in August.  Sidarth knew Webb was against outsourcing and likely H1B already.  Sidarth is an engineering student.  If we assume that as a very smart engineering student he reasons in his own interest, he will oppose H1B.

Dipazzo doesn’t think of Sidarth as a rational person thinking in his own interest.  Dipazzo thinks of Sidarth only in terms of Sidarth’s race and ethnicity.  That is why Dipazzo couldn’t even read a posting explaining Sidarth’s situation and that his support of Webb indicated he was supporting a candidate against H1B.  Dipazzo thinks of Sidarth as just a race object and not as a person who has interests and acts rationally for them.  As an engineering student born in the US, Sidarth’s interest is to oppose H1B.  By being for Webb and against Allen, who is for increasing H1B by Skil Bill, Sidarth acts rationally in his own interest not just as a racial doll.

With Allen’s Help, Webb’s Fundraising Soars

By Michael D. Shear and Tim Craig
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, October 5, 2006; Page B05

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